GFE vs. PSE

[L.T.M.]

Quite often the argument between GFE & PSE rises up on various posts. To initiate a debate, here is how I interpret the two meanings

 

[Erika]

Hey Ref,

You nailed it (much like a guy who loves a PSE loves to nail his fave SP)

I like the GFE experience because I've never had a girlfriend and am scared to have real sex (I'm still a virgin, obviouisly). The GFE allows me to play it safe while not venturing into the unknown and hardcore PSE waters. My friend Francis was right when he said that being breast fed till I was 10 years old would turn me into a wuss who'd be afraid to be involved in a real relationship with a woman.

PS Come on MSN. My dish is completely fucked and I'm really lonely without it.

 

[yogirl66]

Ok lets debate... sounds like you wanna be president of the He-man womans hater club.... your SP/MP should be a hot piece of meat that should shut up and service you? That a GFE experience ain't your cup of tea... who cares! Sounds like someone needs to take a look at his own life.... yeah you.

 

[doodoo in my pants]

That a GFE experience ain't your cup of teaQUOTE]

Glad you managed to figure that out.

Don't worry Wimpy, one day you will figure it out and realize that the ship sailed long before made it to the dock.

But do not be discouraged my friend, the girls depend on easy prey such as yourself to meet their monthly bills.

Please remember though, the more you present yourself as a man, the more respect you will receive. Hopefully my lesson in manhood will allow you to grow as a person and a man.

Remember Wimpy, I love you, or else I wouldn't be here to help you

 

[eric d on my block]

LMAO

i'm sorry but i can't resist!!!

ref...you just insulted every member of this board. calling all the men wimps and letting us know that a woman should, in your opinion, put up and shut up. actually....YOU are the easy pray for an MPA. men like you get us so riled up that we just loooveee putting you in your place. sort of like your mommy did by spanking you when you were being a bad little boy. is that why you don't like ladies anymore hon? or is it because you secretly crave the love of a big tough man?

you're gonna give a lesson in manhood? please.....LOL
men like sheik, rusty and golfdude are the ones who should teach you a few things little boy. now quick!!! mommy's coming!!!!!! put your adult diper back on and get back to your room in the basement! ooops sorry...didn't want to put down your manhood....get back to your APARTMENT in the basement! feel better now? feel like more of a man?

 

[Mirroboy Nick]

lol. i love your posts rusty

 

[hhudson]

Ahhh Ref, I know you love me... after all you love all men don'tcha. I figure your ship sailing reference has something to do with wanting to be "in the navy" with all the other he-man aka the village people. But being as you were kind enough to teach me some wisdom, let me share some back. To "present myself as a man" doesn't have to mean be disrepectful of whoever I'm with does it? Do onto others as you'ld have them do onto you, right. Oh BTW your offer to help me "grow as a a man "? doesn't sound very appealling but thanks anyway,LOL.
But to further this debate do you believe that getting a GFE experience is a con while a PSE is real? I'm guessing the PSE performer says/does the very same with every other guy as she did with you. Therefore is just as fake,no?
Showing my age here I'm thinking of a scene from "Devil in Miss Jones 3" where as miss jones is trying to talk to some guy he just lays there repeating "suck me" over and over. Ref are you that guy?
MPA: hi my name is...
Ref: suck me...
MPA : Sasha...
Ref : suck me...
MPA : have you been here before?
Ref : suck me...
MPA: Oh great another PSE stud... (laffs to her self)
Ref: suck me....

 

[justmeh1987]

Thanks.

Ref is actually a real sweet heart. The only thing that rubs people the wrong way (pun intended) about him is that he's brutally honest. He's not saying to be disrespectful and treat women/MPA's like a peice of meat during the slides, he's just giving his opinion on the type of guy who is attracted to the different experiences.

I gotta admit that I like the cut of your feisty jib, and how you're quick to defend what you believe in. Do you by any chance have plants?

 

[PEPSI-cola]

Hey Sister:

I never called the "Men of massageplanet.net" wimps, you did.

"Easy pray", I think you meant "Easy Prey", but I will forgive you on your ignornace. Where have I mentioned that an MPA is to be blamed for a love lost loner?

Why are you brigning up my mother? What has this to do with my origiinal post? Do you actually wish to speak with my mother? I can hook you up with her. I'm sure that you will end up looking like a complete idiot in this debate so I would like to suggest that you shut your beak right now.

Please note polite, this is a question to hobby guys, not to insecure SP's. When I wish to question the providers on this board I shall do so in the appropriate manner - I am not intimidated to do so.

 

[angelfishcuriouscat]

Hey Wimpy:

Would you like to meet one another another and suck cock?

I'm game.

Come on. Let's get together and give one another head.

Let me & the board know that you are willing to participate in a cock-sucking marathon.

I get the feeling that I will enjoy having you suck me off more so than you sucking me off. But then again....I can't give you the GFE huh?

 

[gretcho]

wumpscut, man of knowledge.

Ref dull long weekend? Looking to stir the pot. Singing Air supply's Lost in love? Feel sorry for those with bully symdrome. "...must look for prey...pick on weak...to feel superior..."

Imo, one need not look in mirror, flex muscles to feel like a man. ie: signs of insecurity...

Don't worry, Goodtime enjoying GFE and nothing is going to spoil it as citizens of Big Easy are slowly getting assistance.

Have a good one. I must be wimp as I love humanity.

Polite, where were we? Oh yea, back to spooning.

 

[Scenester]

Being as you like the idea and are game while I find the thought revolting, I'm positive you WOULD enjoy it more. Again sorry, ain't gonna happen. But you did want to debate right? So answer the question. Why is a GFE experience a con while a PSE is real? Why cant a SP/MPA fake her experience too?

Don't worry Goodtime, I think Ref is just trolling out of boredom too. If only he was more flexible he could give himself a no talk BJ leading to a NFE, you know ... a No Friends Experience.

 

[zbdblues]

Am I the only one who thinks Ref makes a good point?

 

[Mogsy]

Of course not.

As the saying goes, "The truth hurts".

 

[spotlite28]

Personally I find this whole GFE thing bogus. A GFE is real only if the MPA is your
GF. In my 15 years of hobbying I've learned that at most a psuedo GFE could be had
from a very discriminating MPA--that is one with an "attitude" towards many clients
and only grants favous (in terms of mileage and personal attachment)
to only a selective few. Want to get a taste of a relatively more genuine
near-GFE then you have to avoid the popular MPAs most raved about on this board.
A GFE is hardly a GFE when every paying client is treated as a BF. You don't want to
share your GF with others, right?

What I want most from a MPA is not some one who treated me like she is
my GF but someone whom I would like to keep as one of my mistresses.

 

[Porcupine]

What an arrogant condescending post.

... but it's great to see all the misogynist Type A personalities come out of the woodwork now and again....

... you'd better pray MPA's never find out your handle...

 

[Rick A]

Hehehehehehe. If anything, a lot of MPA's would probably agree with him, seeing as they take part in these sessions all the time.

Do you honestly think any MPA will give a shit about his definitions of GFE and PSE and the type of guy that enjoys each one?

By the way, a lot of MPA's already know who he is.

 

[Jenna K]

Ref, old bean ... I don't think it's that black and white, given your point of view, nor is it that simple.

I don't believe the motivation behind the projected desire is that much different between the two - both are driven by similar unfulfilled needs, voids and desires. They just manifest differently dependent on the individual's past/current social experience/status.

IMO ya just cannot separate biological needs and psychological needs completely. If you try to break them down and analyze them separately the answers will not fuse back together to equal the whole - if that makes sense.

Just a thought, but given your two extreme examples it's entirely possible that to varying degrees both PSE and GFE seekers are in denial as to craving more of the alternate experience, and use their perceived desires to mask an image they don't feel comfortable accepting and projecting.

I think that a large majority of massageplanet.netites actually seek, within the hobby, a GFPSE. What we truly seek - who knows.

 

[Chas B]

I never go into MP's expecting to get a GFE or PSE from this MPA or that one. The meanings of both these terms seems to vary a lot. What one may consider a GFE or PSE may not be so for another individual and vice versa. The only thing I want is to have good time, all within MPA limits, meanwhile respecting the MPA's boundaries. For more, I know where to go.

Most often, it is the MPA who dictates how the session will progress and what her limits are. This in turn classifies what kind of label you wanna give the session .... GFE, PSE, or a combination of both.

If she likes to cuddle and yadi-yadi-yada, I'm all for it. If that makes me any less of a man for enjoying it, then so be it. If she wants to give me the so called 'PSE' experience, I'm all for that also. As long as I feel it's money well spent, I don't care what the classification is.

 

[Atomic Rice Eater ?]

Hey Ref...

It's a black 'n white interpretation, and I don't think it's that far off. Good on you telling it like you see it. Actually, from hanging here for so long I believe that there are two types in search of this GFE deal...

(1) Those who find sex more pleasureale regardless of safety concern. Swapping tonges with working girl who may very well have had the penis of that 300lb guy who just passed you in the hall is resolved much better when convincing yourself it's all for the quest of this GFE. I prefer to call that Being Dirty! I've come to appreciate Being Dirty every once in a while, but I don't call it a Girl Friend Experience, that's silly IMO, I prefer to live in reality.

(2) Those much like you describe, who crave the emotion of being close/intimate with someone even if they have to pay. They find acts like kissing and other uncovered acts more intimate, therefore more feeling like they are with someone who wants to be with them. Sad actually.

You know what's really sad about the 2's? I think a lot of them also fall into the; 'I always want what I can't have". The opposite holds true as well, and the more they gush over their pay-for-play-pretend-girlfriend's, the more these girls know they've got them, so unlike most John's that they just don't want, these guys are the ones that wind up disgusting them. Hey 2's, think about all the people in your life that would be there for you in an instant, how much attention do you pay them? Exactly.

kkarn/