Warning for hobbyists

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This was posted yesterday by the admin of another board. I'm interrupting my vacation to share it, with the permission of both the other admin and The Dean, because I think it's important info for everyone to keep in mind.


Hobbyists Beware!

I hesitated until I had all the facts but now I have enough information that I feel comfortable making this post. This is an FYI post intended as a learning tool for new hobbyists and not intented to cast a negative light on any person. I will not provide any further information on the parties involved so don't bother to ask.

A known hobbyist received a envelope containing pictures of his car parked in front of his hotel room, as well as a picture of an escort leaving his room, along with a note asking for $50,000 or he would be subject to his employer and relatives being told of his hobbying. The hobbyist believes that he was tracked down through his license plate as the envelope was sent to the exact address on his vehicle registration (the vehicle is registered to his business) and it is not the street address of his business or his home address. The note indicated that all communications would be made via an email address. The hobbyist decided not to pay the sum requested and 3 months have gone by and there has been no further contact. He believes this is because he tracked down the escort potentially involved and made his feelings clear to her about what the outcome of this incident would be if it were to go further.

I am posting this to provide some suggestions on how to prevent this from happening. If any hobbyists have further suggestions then please post them in the thread so that we can share our best ideas. Here are my thoughts:

1. The escort advertised exclusively on Craiglist. There are plenty of reliable agencies and independents who are members of G****, and while G**** doesn't provide any guarantees, the members here have gone through some minimum requirements in order to "advertise" here.

2. With all of the known robberies and murders that have occured as a result of answering ads on Craiglist and other free classified advertising sites, I don't understand why anyone would take the risk but if you do then do some research. The escort potentially involved in this matter was a former agency escort who had received reviews when she was with the agency and as an independent. A simple search would have shown that the escort, and her boyfriend who serves as her driver, have a history of erratic behaviour.

3. Don't park your car directly in front of the room. Park in another area of the hotel or better yet across the street or down the block.

4. Always call from a private number or from the hotel. Never text. Those who believe that a mobile phone can't be traced are dead wrong, unless the mobile phone is prepaid and not registered.

5. Use hotels that are SP friendly and don't require you to register in your real name. Even a hotel ledger left opened at the front desk can be an issue if it has your real information on it.

6. Hide any valuables (jewelry, credit cards, cash except for the amount for the escort) or identification in the room, or better yet leave them locked in your car.

7. This one is obvious. Don't share any personal information with the escort. Keep your conversation pleasant but intentionally vague. You and her are there for a purpose and you don't know what is really going on in her life, or who is involved in her life, and what she is like outside of the time she is with you. She is selling a fantasy, which is what you are buying, and anything beyond that is at your peril.

I don't mean to sound too negative. I have enjoyed this hobby for many years and there are some pleasant and trustworthy escorts and hobbyists. Just take some basic precautions and do some research and have fun.
 
This could apply to sex workers as well, anyone who is living a secret.

I wonder if this was a random choice or if there were other reasons he was selected to be blackmailed? We should try to limit and control any escalation of threats on both sides.
 
This is helpful. One thing that Ill add, don't leave your personal information in your coat. When you go into the shower there is plenty of time for a girl to look at your drivers license of credit cards. If you can, limit what you take to a call.
 
Thanks for the info. I have been lucky so far but I have used trusted agencies. Never ventured into graigslist or Duttslist.
 
It's all about being careful and yes that goes for both the client and SP.
 
Wow, scary shit but I'm not surprised. There is a board dedicated to outing hobbyists and industry people so this scam is all part of the seedy side of the game.
 
That point about not leaving info in your jacket while showering really opened my eyes too.

I dont think getting outed would hurt me but I can see where it would be a problem for many hobbyiests.

Does make you wonder why people would stray from the agencies and reviewed independents. Saving a few bucks seems like a bad investment.
 
I am glad to hear they didn't get squat from the dude. Good for him, I hope he put the fear of God into the dirtbags!
 
heres another scary one for you all.
same scenario with craigslist.

downtown hotel.last year, girl was from out of town.

Guy goes for an incall, likes the girl takes her for dinner.
when they come back, 2 guys hiding in the bathroom, rob the guy at gun point.

It happens , reputable agencies are the way to go.
 
You can add well known independents to that.
 
Thanks for the eye opener SG. I've been too careless time to smarten up.
 
I can't help to think that who ever did this to this guy is either someone he knows well or he spoke about hes personal life to someone he should of not.
How can someone that does not know him well pull this off? They had to know this guy was paranoid about hes personal life to the point of asking for 50K?
If they do this to me I would laugh and wipe my ass with the letter. I am not married and my close friends know about it.
One should be very carefull of the things you tell strangers.

PS

One more thing that doesn't make any sense......Why would they send the letter to adress on the plate registration ?
What if that was the persons home and hes wife took the letter ?
I guess at this point he would not have to pay the 50K anymoe lol.
 
Its always nice to get the friendly reminder, watch how you play and play safe. With your penis and your personal info!
 
It sounds pretty far fetched but normal safety should be taken anyways. I almost choked at the leaving clothes/wallet in room with stranger while showering, that is just a tad crazy, regardless of how well you think you know the girl.

If you ever get robbed report it obviously (I can't believe anyone would not but it happens).

A cell phone can be traced really simply whether it is prepaid or postpaid so that part is total nonsense. Every call/txt/email/web you use registers on a tower and an employee in a cell company can easily be bribed to give up that info (esp if a $50,000 payout is involved, the $100 to some high school drop out is a no brainer).

The other part of the thread does sound like it has an agenda to promote it's own girls (esp point #1)
 
Oh fuck. Now my paranoia went up 10 fold.

:ouch::ouch::ouch::ouch:

I wish I knew about escorts before craigslist.
 
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    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Summer -๐Ÿ”ฅA sexy sultry part time Korean student with a wild and crazy addictive pe
  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong K
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage kasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful
  41. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ASHA, ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ANAYA, ANGEL, LUCY, NISHA, MEERA, ANGELINA, NUR ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธCassy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  44. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธLuLu๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธJazminCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  45. ASPA:
    ๐—ง๐—›๐—จ๐—ฅ๐—ฆ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Fox, Coco & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น[/color] ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ FOX is 26 years old with 34Cโ€™s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience. COCO medium build
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Jennifer & Tracy. Anida is a slim Asian babe with a small waist and great bum. Anita has excellent massage, oral and other skills. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true.
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธEMILY, LUCY & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services.
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LINDA, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LINDA is a beautiful young Asian mix girl, 60Kgs with big D Cup boobs with pointy nipples, very friendly, bbbj and many services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything.
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Tina 30โ€™s with curve body open mind and young fun Ivy 30โ€™s with big buttocks open mind, pretty GFE Lina and young sweet Vivian 22โ€™s are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Sunrise Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Yoyo & Noor are here Today! ๐Ÿ“ž๐Ÿ“ฒ (647) 325-8086 ๐Ÿ’ฆ We have Hot & Sexy Girls Every Day. ๐Ÿ’‹ They all do Extra Services & are Very Open-Minded ~ Drop In Anytime ๐Ÿšถโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿšถโ€โžก๏ธ Walk-Ins Are Always Welcome! Unit 27, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill
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