Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

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[jimmyd]

I love the “but it doesn’t mean the shots don’t work”. That’s what they said when we first started seeing breakthrough cases. Soon it’ll be “more deaths amongst vaccinated, but it doesn’t mean the shots don’t work”.




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[jimmyd]

Or you are going to beat me up with your dictionary Jimmy?

I let you do that to yourself with your nonsensical posts.


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[Hornet]

For the mathematically illiterate……..

Before the vaccine (100% unvaccinated / 0% vaccinated), 100% of hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator were 100% unvaccinated people

If we had 100% of the population vaccinated (0% unvaccinated/ 100% vaccinated) then hospitalizations, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator numbers would be represented by 100% vaccinated people.

If the vaccine was not effective then hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator percentages would be a sliding scale and exactly equal to the vaccination percentage. We are at almost 90% vaccinated (eligible population) and 10% unvaccinated. Therefore, if the vaccine was ineffective, the unvaccinated would represent 10% of hospitalizations, 10% in ICU and 10% in ICU on ventilator. But, unvaccinated in the ICU is not around 10%, but instead they are close to 45%! For the less severe category of hospitalizations but not in ICU they represent almost 25%.

Sidenote: the health authorities are still digging deep into the data but preliminary results are beginning to indicated that many of the vaccinated in the hospitals and ICU also have underlying conditions. If true, and assuming the unvaccinated were otherwise “healthy” people (because those with underlying conditions are inclined to get vaccinated), then that is even a stronger case for the effectiveness of the vaccine since the population (based on health condition before contracting Covid) in those pie charts are apples and oranges. So, if you removed the underlying conditions patients to get a similar health comparison, the unvaccinated portion of the pie would grow even more.



while Jimmyd only shared a screenshot, here is the link with video. It reinforces this simple math and what all the non anti-vaxxers have been saying in this thread.

Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts

Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals don't tell the entire story, regardless of what some conspiracy theorists believe.

calgary.ctvnews.ca

 

[Poonhound]

How likely it is to Catch COVID-19 (Omicron) in spa’s these days ? Watching the alarming number of daily cases in Ontario, scares me.

Then hide in your closet for the rest of your life because you wouldn’t want to leave your house and risk catching the flu

 

[funliness]

For the mathematically illiterate……..

Before the vaccine (100% unvaccinated / 0% vaccinated), 100% of hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator were 100% unvaccinated people

If we had 100% of the population vaccinated (0% unvaccinated/ 100% vaccinated) then hospitalizations, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator numbers would be represented by 100% vaccinated people.

If the vaccine was not effective then hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator percentages would be a sliding scale and exactly equal to the vaccination percentage. We are at almost 90% vaccinated (eligible population) and 10% unvaccinated. Therefore, if the vaccine was ineffective, the unvaccinated would represent 10% of hospitalizations, 10% in ICU and 10% in ICU on ventilator. But, unvaccinated in the ICU is not around 10%, but instead they are close to 45%! For the less severe category of hospitalizations but not in ICU they represent almost 25%.

Sidenote: the health authorities are still digging deep into the data but preliminary results are beginning to indicated that many of the vaccinated in the hospitals and ICU also have underlying conditions. If true, and assuming the unvaccinated were otherwise “healthy” people (because those with underlying conditions are inclined to get vaccinated), then that is even a stronger case for the effectiveness of the vaccine since the population (based on health condition before contracting Covid) in those pie charts are apples and oranges. So, if you removed the underlying conditions patients to get a similar health comparison, the unvaccinated portion of the pie would grow even more.

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while Jimmyd only shared a screenshot, here is the link with video. It reinforces this simple math and what all the non anti-vaxxers have been saying in this thread.

Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts

Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals don't tell the entire story, regardless of what some conspiracy theorists believe.

calgary.ctvnews.ca

i tried to explain this half a dozen times, you’ve done a great job explaining it.

Jimmyd you spent who knows how much time spewing on this thread - can you spare us a few more minutes and explain why you still disagree with these clear numbers?

 

[stripfan]

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[Canaduh]

Listen JImmy, put away the dictionary and read other kind of books. Stop copying and pasting links to articles you haven't read just because the title benefits you.

Stop taking little screenshots of shit you don't understand;

The only book you come into this debate with, is the dictionary. You declared your diction superior early in this thread, but you should at least equip a thesaurus in your arsenal because you are sounding repetitive with your "it's not what the dictionary says" argument.

Both of you are making personal attacks not the argument.

 

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[sy barite]

For the mathematically illiterate……..

Before the vaccine (100% unvaccinated / 0% vaccinated), 100% of hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator were 100% unvaccinated people

If we had 100% of the population vaccinated (0% unvaccinated/ 100% vaccinated) then hospitalizations, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator numbers would be represented by 100% vaccinated people.

If the vaccine was not effective then hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator percentages would be a sliding scale and exactly equal to the vaccination percentage. We are at almost 90% vaccinated (eligible population) and 10% unvaccinated. Therefore, if the vaccine was ineffective, the unvaccinated would represent 10% of hospitalizations, 10% in ICU and 10% in ICU on ventilator. But, unvaccinated in the ICU is not around 10%, but instead they are close to 45%! For the less severe category of hospitalizations but not in ICU they represent almost 25%.

Sidenote: the health authorities are still digging deep into the data but preliminary results are beginning to indicated that many of the vaccinated in the hospitals and ICU also have underlying conditions. If true, and assuming the unvaccinated were otherwise “healthy” people (because those with underlying conditions are inclined to get vaccinated), then that is even a stronger case for the effectiveness of the vaccine since the population (based on health condition before contracting Covid) in those pie charts are apples and oranges. So, if you removed the underlying conditions patients to get a similar health comparison, the unvaccinated portion of the pie would grow even more.

View attachment 189886

while Jimmyd only shared a screenshot, here is the link with video. It reinforces this simple math and what all the non anti-vaxxers have been saying in this thread.

Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts

Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals don't tell the entire story, regardless of what some conspiracy theorists believe.

calgary.ctvnews.ca

Exactly.

But it doesn't seem to matter how simply this is expressed, some folks are married to a narrative and won't change their mind, regardless of the facts you put in front of them. While the degree to which the vaccines are effective can be argued, their overall effectiveness is now not arguable. Citing out-of-context headlines or short video clips is tantamount to trumpeting ignorance or worse.

 

[Canaduh]

Exactly.

But it doesn't seem to matter how simply this is expressed, some folks are married to a narrative and won't change their mind, regardless of the facts you put in front of them. While the degree to which the vaccines are effective can be argued, their overall effectiveness is now not arguable. Citing out-of-context headlines or short video clips is tantamount to trumpeting ignorance or worse.

You do know anything about the immune system. Robert Malone is the inventor of the MRNA technology and warned people against getting the vaccine.

 

[stripfan]

Regardless of how effective they are, vaccination is a game of Russian roulette. Thousands have already suffered blood clots, strokes, and heart attacks. Injuries aren't rare. I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who know of some. We also don't know what the long term effects are. There are enough serious scientists warning about those to warrant caution. For some people , as well, this vax really does look like the "mark of the beast". If you are skeptical about vax safety and have managed to avoid covid, there is little motivation to get vaxxed.

 

[jimmyd]

i tried to explain this half a dozen times, you’ve done a great job explaining it.

Jimmyd you spent who knows how much time spewing on this thread - can you spare us a few more minutes and explain why you still disagree with these clear numbers?

When did I say I disagree with the numbers? I posted them.

I’m pointing out we were told we wouldn’t be seeing these types of numbers and that with the vaccines we would have no more lockdowns. But here we are. Very reminiscent of 2 years ago, when we didn’t have vaccines. Only thousands of more cases a day.


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[Canaduh]

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[stripfan]

I have been avoiding your posts because a "wily" old man told me that I shouldn't pick fights with everyone...

But, how the fuck are you going to keep coming into any discussion armed with links to religious articles and bitchute videos of "Brother Nathanael."?

The mark of the beast argument irks me the most. The new testament in the bible is two thousand years old, and throughout its lifespan, there has been at least 20 generations that swore they saw the mark of the beast and the end was coming.

I am not trying to pick a fight here, but when I see Jimmy the Troll liking your post, it makes me think, this poor child (Jimmy) is getting emboldened by the bible now. Can any of you anti vaxxers bring forth an actual scientific report with laboratory testing and research to back up your claims? I don't even care if it's a known or respected doctor but bring someone with a degree at least.

Brother Nathanael's arguments are not religious in nature. They are based on plain old common sense. The idea that a religious person can't argue logically is itself illogical. I will try to answer the "mark of the beast" question later when there's more time.

 

[BT301]

For the mathematically illiterate……..

Before the vaccine (100% unvaccinated / 0% vaccinated), 100% of hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator were 100% unvaccinated people

If we had 100% of the population vaccinated (0% unvaccinated/ 100% vaccinated) then hospitalizations, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator numbers would be represented by 100% vaccinated people.

If the vaccine was not effective then hospitalization, patients in the ICU, and in ICU on a ventilator percentages would be a sliding scale and exactly equal to the vaccination percentage. We are at almost 90% vaccinated (eligible population) and 10% unvaccinated. Therefore, if the vaccine was ineffective, the unvaccinated would represent 10% of hospitalizations, 10% in ICU and 10% in ICU on ventilator. But, unvaccinated in the ICU is not around 10%, but instead they are close to 45%! For the less severe category of hospitalizations but not in ICU they represent almost 25%.

Sidenote: the health authorities are still digging deep into the data but preliminary results are beginning to indicated that many of the vaccinated in the hospitals and ICU also have underlying conditions. If true, and assuming the unvaccinated were otherwise “healthy” people (because those with underlying conditions are inclined to get vaccinated), then that is even a stronger case for the effectiveness of the vaccine since the population (based on health condition before contracting Covid) in those pie charts are apples and oranges. So, if you removed the underlying conditions patients to get a similar health comparison, the unvaccinated portion of the pie would grow even more.

View attachment 189886

while Jimmyd only shared a screenshot, here is the link with video. It reinforces this simple math and what all the non anti-vaxxers have been saying in this thread.

Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts

Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals don't tell the entire story, regardless of what some conspiracy theorists believe.

calgary.ctvnews.ca

I am more here for the big tit MPA reveiws - but this is exactly right and funliness spelled it out a few times too.

Those numbers are really huge in supporting how effective the vaccine is. Ask a professional gambler what an amazing bet it is to take the vaccine. It's not a close thing here.

There is no argument about whether it works or not and no argument about how safe it is other than from people with blogs and time who dont understand numbers.

fwiw -There are some other notes above about post infection being as good as the vax and that is a fair point. Also you can't force someone to take it, I agree it has to be a personal choice.

For me taking the vaccine is a question of solidarity with others not as strong as you. I dont want to take the damn things either.

Take the vax or not, that's your call, for sure. But anyone spending time encouraging others not to take it is a lot of confidence in their analysis and ability over the entire worldwide medical consensus.

 

[Canaduh]

I have been avoiding your posts because a "wily" old man told me that I shouldn't pick fights with everyone...

But, how the fuck are you going to keep coming into any discussion armed with links to religious articles and bitchute videos of "Brother Nathanael."?

The mark of the beast argument irks me the most. The new testament in the bible is two thousand years old, and throughout its lifespan, there has been at least 20 generations that swore they saw the mark of the beast and the end was coming.

I am not trying to pick a fight here, but when I see Jimmy the Troll liking your post, it makes me think, this poor child (Jimmy) is getting emboldened by the bible now. Can any of you anti vaxxers bring forth an actual scientific report with laboratory testing and research to back up your claims? I don't even care if it's a known or respected doctor but bring someone with a degree at least.

 

[Canaduh]

I am more here for the big tit MPA reveiws - but this is exactly right and funliness spelled it out a few times too.

Those numbers are really huge in supporting how effective the vaccine is. Ask a professional gambler what an amazing bet it is to take the vaccine. It's not a close thing here.

There is no argument about whether it works or not and no argument about how safe it is other than from people with blogs and time who dont understand numbers.

fwiw -There are some other notes above about post infection being as good as the vax and that is a fair point. Also you can't force someone to take it, I agree it has to be a personal choice.

For me taking the vaccine is a question of solidarity with others not as strong as you. I dont want to take the damn things either.

Take the vax or not, that's your call, for sure. But anyone spending time encouraging others not to take it is a lot of confidence in their analysis and ability over the entire worldwide medical consensus.

Natural immunity does a better job. Boosters will weaken the immune system.

 

[jimmyd]

Which of my posts doesn't make sense child?

You should give up. I got you figured out. Oh wait, you are not actually debating anything, you are just competing to see who can repeat the same shit all over again. Ok, I can do that too.

You’re the one that repeats his posts making the font bigger.

Which of your posts? When you said we can’t to anything to stop this pandemic, then proceeded to blame. Your ridiculous car insurance analogy. Saying that changing the definition of words to fit a narrative is no problem. And again, your repetitious, bigger, bolder posts.


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[goodtogo1962]

Okay, how many of you are getting the microchip.

Why would anybody want to do this. Do you believe that it is about a virus still.