Opinion Cheap ass lowlifes

[OG_funguy]

Anyway, this thread seems to have taken a turn to be discussing the same topic as my other thread. Let’s get back on track.

$10 tip is not appropriate. Though tip gouging is happening rampantly, it is apparent that tips are also being withheld or are unacceptably low. That isn’t ok either. I feel that in order for things to settle down on the tip front, both sides need to make adjustments. While charging too much for a service is one thing, failure to pay for a service is down right insulting and in my opinion abusive.

There's a difference between charging too much for a service and encouraging you to do more services...

 

[Mav]

There's a difference between charging too much for a service and encouraging you to do more services...

You’re right. Edited.

 

[Arlnold]

One problem (at least in my experience) is that the advertized service of "Half hour massage - $40" is a total lie. The spa owners take 100% of the money you pay for the posted service. Unless the girl can coax you into some paid extras, she would have to massage you for free. That is unreasonable, so she refuses to provide the advertised service. The days of the "included" HJ are long over. It is entirely fair that the girl gets paid and, let's face it, we're ALL there for the extras. Agreeing on a price beforehand makes good sense for everybody, but the girl has to be REASONABLE. I have encountered girls wanting $200 on top of the $40 "room fee". She's not a lawyer. This is unskilled labour. Of course some are more skilled than others, but at the end of the day, a reasonable level of compensation has to be agree on. $10 is fucking ridiculous, but so is $200.

 

[xtc27]

Why would they? 2 reasons:

Option 1) Guy like yourself says no and she makes $160 in 1/2 for putting in zero effort anyway because you tipped her.
Option 2) Some chump with too much money pays her for her now half-assed effort.

Girl wins either way.

The idea is vet the shitty service ones here and don't see them at all in the first place.

Actually, kinda disagree…

Reg clients= where it’s at

Askng crazy tips= Dude mebbe pays once, but nvr come back… & heck, some dudes girls just don’t want back… some Asian girls luv all races, some prefer whites, or Asians, etc… that’s why if girl kinda gives weird vibe, nvr nvr nvr get in rm w her!

Nvr haggle on $$$… girls feel disrespected … just change menu item…

Once, girl quotes me reasonable 80= bj, 100 cfs…. Which incl cbj… I just wanted bj, so I went let’s do bj … then she dropped cfs to 80!

I didn’t wanna hurt her feelings, so I fucked her…

…. but if girl hikes tips 4 everything , geez, just walk… it really gets everyone’s attn…

Pay going rates, man! … they actually wanna keep as clients, they’ll bring $$$ down or they lose tip & client…

… it’s not that busy in spas… 2 much competition, & now Xmas spending starting… we got some leverage as clients

 

[cupcrazy]

As I recall, for FU if you ride a bike that definitely means you are undeniably poor.

no he spends most of his money on chicks. he could only afford a bike after that.

 

[cupcrazy]

One problem (at least in my experience) is that the advertized service of "Half hour massage - $40" is a total lie. The spa owners take 100% of the money you pay for the posted service. Unless the girl can coax you into some paid extras, she would have to massage you for free. That is unreasonable, so she refuses to provide the advertised service. The days of the "included" HJ are long over. It is entirely fair that the girl gets paid and, let's face it, we're ALL there for the extras. Agreeing on a price beforehand makes good sense for everybody, but the girl has to be REASONABLE. I have encountered girls wanting $200 on top of the $40 "room fee". She's not a lawyer. This is unskilled labour. Of course some are more skilled than others, but at the end of the day, a reasonable level of compensation has to be agree on. $10 is fucking ridiculous, but so is $200.

if the girl doesn't like the compensation structure, she can walk. If we hobby long enough, we know what amount of tips deemed reasonable. Sure, the girls can name whatever prices they want. At the end of the day, the customer dictates the price.

 

[cupcrazy]

The spa industry needs a reset. Things cant continue as they are. If everyone stopped going to spas, spa owners and MPAs would drop to their knees and beg us to come back. We have given them too much power. Lets take it back

be a hero and report all the spas to the city by law. Have the city shut them down once for all.

 

[luvdafurburger]

be a hero and report all the spas to the city by law. Have the city shut them down once for all.

That's the plan.
After that he's going to go on the www.SantaClaus.com so he can tell all the kids there's no fucking Santa Claus.
They'll love him there too.

 

[OG_funguy]

One problem (at least in my experience) is that the advertized service of "Half hour massage - $40" is a total lie. The spa owners take 100% of the money you pay for the posted service. Unless the girl can coax you into some paid extras, she would have to massage you for free. That is unreasonable, so she refuses to provide the advertised service. The days of the "included" HJ are long over. It is entirely fair that the girl gets paid and, let's face it, we're ALL there for the extras. Agreeing on a price beforehand makes good sense for everybody, but the girl has to be REASONABLE. I have encountered girls wanting $200 on top of the $40 "room fee". She's not a lawyer. This is unskilled labour. Of course some are more skilled than others, but at the end of the day, a reasonable level of compensation has to be agree on. $10 is fucking ridiculous, but so is $200.

I don't think you are talking semi legit spas. At most semi-legit spas, the girls get half the room fee regardless of whether it's 30, 45 or 60 mins...

 

[Mav]

I don't think you are talking semi legit spas. At most semi-legit spas, the girls get half the room fee regardless of whether it's 30, 45 or 60 mins...

I don’t know for sure but I doubt they get that.

 

[Frank Underwood]

You don't have a fkn clue what you are talking about. Stick with your fuck shops you know best.
90 minutes massage with HJ only happened at semi legit spas. Nobody goes for 90 minutes massage to holistic and body rub spas, those girls will show you the door right away.
It doesn't matter who posted this thread. A lady attendant or customer, doesn't matter. A decent 90 minutes massage alone is worth more than the $10 tip even without the HJ . Period.

BTW... Shangri La is not semi legit. It is semi holistic. They specialize in body slides and they have a set tip price for everything. No FS.

Brother, it is my belief that the comment made about brown skinned gentlemen may have offended you and put you in a bad mood here. For what is worth, I think when racism towards "brown" is thrown, they are generally referring to East Indian men, it doesn't necessarily apply to Thai, Cambodian, or other brown South East Asians so you shouldn't take it to heart.

As for your "stick to fuck shops," my friend, I have already said that is the only places I visit when looking for sexual services. It is redundant for you to tell me to do what I already stated I do. If I am looking for a massage I will look for RMT or massage services. Maybe it makes you feel good to try and belittle someone, but you certainly picked the wrong person. The purpose of this and any other public forum is for people to share information. I get that maybe in your world, as a notable massage spa enthusiast with financial interests in the industry you expect everyone to know the same as you, but you have to remember that not everyone comes into these boards to promote a spa or show off to their "forum friends."

On that note, if you want to show off, what in the fuck did you mean in your third sentence? Of course it matters you idiot, if the OP had made it clear what kind of place she is talking about there is no confusion at all.

You could put your knowledge to work and write a paragraph about the different types of massage etc, and give back to the community. It could be a good way for you to gain exposure for the spas in which you have interests. Calm down man, at your age trolling the internet is a disgrace, think of giving back instead.

 

[OG_funguy]

I don’t know for sure but I doubt they get that.

They get that in the majority of semi legit spas....if not that (e.g. for 30 mins, it can be different), then some close variation. My main point is they aren't working for free, that wouldn't even make sense at a semi place since the extras are not even a guaranteed thing.

 

[Frank Underwood]

It wasn't just your tipping comments that rubbed a few people the wrong way but you seem to be quite ignorant about legit and semi-legit spas in general. For example, you seem to think people only go to RMTs for a 'therapeutic' massage. Yet, there are literally hundreds of clinics out there with no RMTs on staff that offer just a therapeutic massage with no happy endings at all. If you don't know why or how these places can exist, then that just further shows your ignorance in this space. Also, you should have been able to tell from the OP's first post that she wasn't working at a 'Rub & Tug'. If not the first post, then for sure by Post #4, you should have known this.

Your past posts show that you are quite knowledgeable in other hobby domains but why comment so strongly in areas you know very little about. No need to keep trying to justify your original responses. Just fess up and move on. Peace...

My friend, you are a great communicator and I respect that. Do you know how to do a search of a poster's history? I urge you to search my posting history, read my reviews and focus on my spa reviews which are mostly about Krayjee's spa. I have said it, almost in every review that I am not a massage parlor guy, and that I prefer escorts because it provides a more real girlfriend experience for me. I have also listed the reasons as to why I feel that way. If you are going to talk about historical data, then you should review what I have said.

I don't seem to think that people only go to RMT for massage, I would be stupid if I said that. Those semi legit. semi holistic, and whatever other category places exist because there is obviously people that are spending money there. I am not one of those people, and I have made it abundantly clear.

Lastly, I commented on this thread purely for entertainment.

One of my goals was to see if the person who is very eager to engage me would come in here to try and troll me, I have kept this person waiting for a response for more than a week now. He/she is dying to be engaged by me but I have decided that this person is moving into my "too retarded" pile, but it brings me great pleasure to know that I own this bitch's mind, and all he/she thinks about is trying to engage me. I am happy to know that one of my posts generates 3-4 angry "witty" responses from that person.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Yeah, lame excuse he or she meant “body rub or rub & tug”…. Most all incl spas dont even have 90 min rate! (Only Flirt so far as I can tell.)

My dear con artist, anyone walking into a spa of any kind with enough money in their pocket can book a 90 minute session. I have gone into HFH and other places and seen a girl for 90 minutes despite a 90 minute rate not being listed. Or what, are you saying that the spa and the girls are going to say no to money? Con artist

 

[Frank Underwood]

It is apparent, as mentioned that FU is in one lane of the “massage” world. The lane he is really in is the “brothel” world as it is called basically everywhere there is a red light district area. The fact that here it gets lumped in with “massage” is confusing. There are definitely distinct lanes.

FU, you can stay in your lane. We will stay in ours.

Also, spending thousands per week seems like a waste of funds. Either it is an addiction thing, an insatiable desire thing, or a flamboyant exaggeration. I hobby quite regularly, often several times a week for massage. I have the funds to do what I want whenever I want. Yet, I have never spent anywhere close to thousands… maybe one thousand once or twice but to go ahead and spend that much every week would basically make it your full time job, even at the brothels.

Aptly pointed out brother, this "hobby" is like gambling and it is very much an addiction. I think you would be hard pressed to find any of the OGs on here to tell you that they don't feel it's an addiction. You can create a thread about that and invite me to discuss it.

I want to address your "stay in your lane," well, since you are not the (internet) traffic police or the owner of this forum, I am afraid you will be disappointed because I will go onto any lane I want. If you don't like it you can ignore me, but you will be disappointed if you think you can tell me which lane to stay in.

Spending thousands a week is not hard, you can book a 3 hour session with a girl and you are already at one thousand. I don't think that is the main point here, and for your information I know guys who spend even more than me.

 

[not impressed]

My dear con artist, anyone walking into a spa of any kind with enough money in their pocket can book a 90 minute session. I have gone into HFH and other places and seen a girl for 90 minutes despite a 90 minute rate not being listed. Or what, are you saying that the spa and the girls are going to say no to money? Con artist
[/QUOTE a real 90 minute massage is exhausting and not what any Masseuse is capable of , a couple of these a day and the girls are done physically and mentally, especially after a cheap posterior orifice drops a 10 dollar tip

 

[Frank Underwood]

a real 90 minute massage is exhausting and not what any Masseuse is capable of , a couple of these a day and the girls are done physically and mentally, especially after a cheap posterior orifice drops a 10 dollar tip

Sweetie, I can totally sympathize with you. I know how physically demanding massage is. If it is something that you don't enjoy or don't find lucrative you can always switch careers. Right now the Canadian government is offering up to 27k grants for education in jobs that are in demand. You don't have to feel stuck or helpless.

Sadly some clients are assholes as you said, but that comes with the territory. You can also try working at a different spa, message Krayjee for some recruitment help. Different venues could have different clientele.

Good luck.

 

[Mav]

Sweetie, I can totally sympathize with you. I know how physically demanding massage is. If it is something that you don't enjoy or don't find lucrative you can always switch careers. Right now the Canadian government is offering up to 27k grants for education in jobs that are in demand. You don't have to feel stuck or helpless.

Sadly some clients are assholes as you said, but that comes with the territory. You can also try working at a different spa, message Krayjee for some recruitment help. Different venues could have different clientele.

Good luck.

Are you sure the OP is a massage attendant? The way I read it was the guy before this posters session was the cheap ass, and he had to hear the girl complain about it during his session immediately after, thus ruining it for him.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Are you sure the OP is a massage attendant? The way I read it was the guy before this posters session was the cheap ass, and he had to hear the girl complain about it during his session immediately after, thus ruining it for him.

I am honestly unsure, it could be read either way. I have asked the poster directly, so I hope the OP can clarify that.

 

[not impressed]

Sweetie, I can totally sympathize with you. I know how physically demanding massage is. If it is something that you don't enjoy or don't find lucrative you can always switch careers. Right now the Canadian government is offering up to 27k grants for education in jobs that are in demand. You don't have to feel stuck or helpless.

Sadly some clients are assholes as you said, but that comes with the territory. You can also try working at a different spa, message Krayjee for some recruitment help. Different venues could have different clientele.

Good luck.

Sweetie…WTF ! ..ME TOO ..sweetie