Poll Do you think the Trump insurrectionists have blown their wad?

[Hornet]

That's trump reward for the job he was told to do.

He won't go to jail and he made millions.

You can say the above statement for any past president, Bush, Clinton, etc

I think time will tell on him going to jail or not. There are a lot of States looking into his businesses and Taxes. As far as jail time, I think tax fraud is his biggest risk.

 

[AthleticAF]

I think time will tell on him going to jail or not. There are a lot of States looking into his businesses and Taxes. As far as jail time, I think tax fraud is his biggest risk.

It won't happen.

 

[Sybarite]

Do you think things may have changed since the 1973 rule was imposed?....court is your idea....professional organizational rules can be changed ...courts don't decide them.

The press release I sent you from the APA was from 2018, half way through Trump's term, and they were still totally committed to the rule... as a result of pressure from Trump's crime family according to you. I guess 50 years is way too long a shelf life for a worthy and logical ethic in your books.

In any case, I'm not asking you about the courts changing the APA's guidelines, I'm asking you what any judge would say about the worthiness of a medical diagnosis made by a doctor who had never even met the patient.

Clearly if you were the judge that would be great evidence in your eyes, but that's incredibly dubious in my opinion, so again we agree to disagree here. Still, we have at least established that the medical diagnosis you spoke of was made by talking heads on TV with no connection to Trump.

 

[qinging]

The press release I sent you from the APA was from 2018, half way through Trump's term, and they were still totally committed to the rule... as a result of pressure from Trump's crime family according to you. I guess 50 years is way too long a shelf life for a worthy and logical ethic in your books.

In any case, I'm not asking you about the courts changing the APA's guidelines, I'm asking you what any judge would say about the worthiness of a medical diagnosis made by a doctor who had never even met the patient.

Clearly if you were the judge that would be great evidence in your eyes, but that's incredibly dubious in my opinion, so again we agree to disagree here. Still, we have at least established that the medical diagnosis you spoke of was made by talking heads on TV with no connection to Trump.

A judge would not have an answer other than sort it out yourselves...you're the doctors. Keep in mind this is about psychiatric medicine not cancer or heart etc. treatment.

 

[jimmyd]

This is Dr versus Dr....the APA Goldwater rule is a guideline not a law....just a rule. I suspect it would never make it to court since members of associations are within their rights to challenge archaic rules.

Here’s the test: are you ok if doctors diagnosed Biden without having a 1 on 1 with him?

Let’s see your double standards fly. And go!


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[jimmyd]

His properties made over $25M off his Presidency. I wonder if NewsMax, Fox News or OAN will be reporting that

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.

www.opensecrets.org

I’m sure he took a hit overall though. He’s been destroyed by the media, and so many are disassociating themselves from him ie. PGA etc.

Before he ran, he was well liked. Funny what politics will do.


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[jimmyd]

No they won't.

Just like Obamas making millions after their white Housec gig.
They boughta $12 million dollar mansion, signed a Netflix deal to be producers, $65 million book deal (while in office), it goes on and on.
Same shit different pile.

He’ll probably be fine, but Republicans don’t get anywhere near the treatment the Dems get. They’re bending over backwards to lay criminal charges against Trump.


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[qinging]

Here’s the test: are you ok if doctors diagnosed Biden without having a 1 on 1 with him?

Let’s see your double standards fly. And go!


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If Doctors saw 7 million, 306-232, won both houses, big bill winner,60% approval Joe as a delusional narcissistic pathological lying psychopath like Dumbo is....they should say so.

 

[Sybarite]

A judge would not have an answer other than sort it out yourselves...you're the doctors. Keep in mind this is about psychiatric medicine not cancer or heart etc. treatment.

OMG do I really have to explain this? The Goldwater rule specifically pertains to psychiatry, not cancer or heart treatment, etc. But I'm not asking you about a judge evaluating the rules of a psychiatric organization - it's much simpler than that...

Have you heard of things like second hand, third hand evidence, hearsay, etc? The legal question is what is the worthiness and reliability of a medical diagnosis made by a doctor who has never even met a patient, much less examined him? You don't think a judge would have their own opinion on that?? It's their job to rule on the persuasiveness of the evidence presented! Judges didn't tell the election officials and experts to sort it out themselves - they made rulings based on the quality of the evidence presented to them by Trump's lawyers!

I am asking if a lawyer was trying to prove in a court of law that someone was psychopathic, and as their evidence they used a doctor who had never examined or had any relation with the patient, what do you think a judge would feel about about the worthiness of that type of diagnosis? In my opinion I think they would believe that's terrible evidence, but just like Trump and his election lawyers, what can you do? That's all you've got!

 

[qinging]

OMG do I really have to explain this? The Goldwater rule specifically pertains to psychiatry, not cancer or heart treatment, etc. But I'm not asking you about a judge evaluating the rules of a psychiatric organization - it's much simpler than that...

Have you heard of things like second hand, third hand evidence, hearsay, etc? The legal question is what is the worthiness and reliability of a medical diagnosis made by a doctor who has never even met a patient, much less examined him? You don't think a judge would have their own opinion on that?? It's their job to rule on the persuasiveness of the evidence presented! Judges didn't tell the election officials and experts to sort it out themselves - they made rulings based on the quality of the evidence presented to them by Trump's lawyers!

I am asking if a lawyer was trying to prove in a court of law that someone was psychopathic, and as their evidence they used a doctor who had never examined or had any relation with the patient, what do you think a judge would feel about about the worthiness of that type of diagnosis? In my opinion I think they would believe that's terrible evidence, but just like Trump and his election lawyers, what can you do? That's all you've got!

This is a medical debate among the Psychiatric community over a 1973 APA rule, not law, as to whether the highest profile person on the planet ,most visible ,most quoted, most watched, daily behaviour can be diagnosed as such over several years. This is not about your simple 40 or so word highlighted scenario. Because a person has a law degree and judge in front of his name doesn't mean he can make such a decision. No, the medical profession alone can do this.

 

[qinging]

"The Supreme Court disposed of the last of former President Donald Trump's challenges to state election procedures Monday, rejecting his appeal of lower court rulings that upheld Wisconsin's handling of mail-in ballots.

The court announced the rejection without comment in a one-line order, which is its normal practice.".....love it

 

[snoopdoggie]

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I wonder if MSNBC or CNN will be reporting this.


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Fake news, bud. Those greedy assholes wouldn't even dream of giving a penny back.

 

[jimmyd]

If Doctors saw 7 million, 306-232, won both houses, big bill winner,60% approval Joe as a delusional narcissistic pathological lying psychopath like Dumbo is....they should say so.

A child can see Biden has lost his mind, and yet doctors aren’t lining up to say so on MSNBC.


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[qinging]

A child can see Biden has lost his mind, and yet doctors aren’t lining up to say so on MSNBC.


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you are talking out both sides of your mouth...on one hand you say Trump can't be diagnosed without an interview while on the other you are saying 306-232 Joe can be diagnosed by a child.

 

[jimmyd]

OMG do I really have to explain this? The Goldwater rule specifically pertains to psychiatry, not cancer or heart treatment, etc. But I'm not asking you about a judge evaluating the rules of a psychiatric organization - it's much simpler than that...

Have you heard of things like second hand, third hand evidence, hearsay, etc? The legal question is what is the worthiness and reliability of a medical diagnosis made by a doctor who has never even met a patient, much less examined him? You don't think a judge would have their own opinion on that?? It's their job to rule on the persuasiveness of the evidence presented! Judges didn't tell the election officials and experts to sort it out themselves - they made rulings based on the quality of the evidence presented to them by Trump's lawyers!

I am asking if a lawyer was trying to prove in a court of law that someone was psychopathic, and as their evidence they used a doctor who had never examined or had any relation with the patient, what do you think a judge would feel about about the worthiness of that type of diagnosis? In my opinion I think they would believe that's terrible evidence, but just like Trump and his election lawyers, what can you do? That's all you've got!

I’ve come to the conclusion that Ping Pong is either a troll, delusional or really stupid. He can’t wrap his head around things like heresay, rule of law, credible evidence etc. It’s only Trump bad, Biden good for him.


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[jimmyd]

you are talking out both sides of your mouth...on one hand you say Trump can't be diagnosed without an interview while on the other you are saying 306-232 Joe can be diagnosed by a child.

Where did I say he can be diagnosed by a child?

I said, even a child can see he’s lost his mind, and yet doctors, who haven’t assessed him, aren’t calling him senile.

Is English your first language?


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[qinging]

Where did I say he can be diagnosed by a child?

I said, even a child can see he’s lost his mind, and yet doctors, who haven’t assessed him, aren’t calling him senile.

Is English your first language?


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Oh good lord.....remove one foot from mouth insert other,...here...back to what you deserve.

 

[jimmyd]

Fake news, bud. Those greedy assholes wouldn't even dream of giving a penny back.

Said Mr. MAGA You’ve lost all credibility, bro.

But, let’s see some evidence to the contrary. Even those networks were criticizing him for it, early on.

Prove your claim.


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[jimmyd]

Oh good lord.....remove one foot from mouth insert other,...here...back to what you deserve.

I guess English isn’t your first language.


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[snoopdoggie]

A child can see Biden has lost his mind, and yet doctors aren’t lining up to say so on MSNBC.


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You're just a very sad Drunk Trump lover. Biden hasn't been president 6 weeks yet and you're complaining your ass off. You're nothing but a loser.