HFH extras

[James17]

So who is a great agency girl. I’m from out of town but will be in Toronto today. I was thinking of seeing a sp and then maybe going to a spa after.

 

[OppaiLover]

… just like Flirt & SL… girls make allotta $$$ just doing bs… & girls need time 2 recover after a gd fuck… bs? No problem… it can b very smart way 2 make $$$

Holistic spa, full menu girls gonna make $100 tip cfs per dude…. & Ive been offered $80… SL they get $80 for bs… only 20 less…

Take yer HFH chick… so if shes selectv, springs $300 offer on certain clients… who could easily not have $300 floatng in their wallet, or have better ways 2 spend it… shes not gonna make much. And dudes get mad, dont repeat.

….. cut it down to $100, shes gonna make 5-600 / shift easy… … & still gets half VIP rm fee… & very popular..

So… are HFH girls that stupid? $300, very few takers… $150, lotsa guys still gonna say no… I would… $100 = still pretty steep when room fee = $140… but guys will spring that much…

… everyone gets that, right? $100 tip gets u $600 a night most nights…. $300 tip & selective… $300 tip if yer lucky per night….many nights nuthin…

So are they that stupid?

…bcuz I think theyre not… I doubt this $300 thing = common… … it means they make less $$$ & lose clients. If my fave girl one day offers to fuck @ $300 tip… I stop seeing her. $100? Wheres my wallet?!?! $150? Hmmm See what I mean? High asking$$$ wrecks the GFE vibe, & can wreck relationship w regs…

Even 140 rm fee & 100 tip that means u spent $240 & theyre chasing you out w a broom after 30 min… … its still way 2 much if girl isnt DDG & amazing fuck… $220 gets me 45 min w DDG agency girl, right? On real bed. And those agencies= right nearby…

You forget, the girls there are not openly offering FS. It's the guys asking. Anyone going to HFH knows extras isn't really a thing so it's not like there is an expectation of extras. If a guy asks and the girl is feeling it in the moment, she'll offer it at that rate. It's usually $150-$200 on top of the bodyslide fee and door fee. If a girl sees 5 clients for 30 mins each, she's walking out with $500 just off of bodyslides alone. For most girls this is more than enough. That's only 2.5 hours work in an 8 hour shift. If by chance they get one to partake in extras, that's just gravy on top.

 

[dtm1973]

Thw thing that messes with hfh is the high door fee, plus the 300 ask. Like 460 to fuck for 45 min. If the door is 160, then 100 to 150 in room for fs is reasonable. If the door is 60, theb 200 or so is reasonable

 

[xtc27]

You forget, the girls there are not openly offering FS. It's the guys asking. Anyone going to HFH knows extras isn't really a thing so it's not like there is an expectation of extras. If a guy asks and the girl is feeling it in the moment, she'll offer it at that rate. It's usually $150-$200 on top of the bodyslide fee and door fee. If a girl sees 5 clients for 30 mins each, she's walking out with $500 just off of bodyslides alone. For most girls this is more than enough. That's only 2.5 hours work in an 8 hour shift. If by chance they get one to partake in extras, that's just gravy on top.

… I get yer point …

… & 4sure, if they didn’t like sex & physical contact, they’d get PTSD…

I just kinda doubt “feeling’ it” motivates them… some dudes= repulsive, but any clean acceptable client should get offered… not just select few…

$500= more than enuf? For most girls?

Let me think about that…



Ok, I’m gd…

… most girls wanna maximize $$$ & ofc enjoy their days… asking 2 much $$$ means less $$ & more boring…

I notice yer saying $150-200 now… that’s way less than $300…

… if my fave tells me $300… TBH, it’s insult 2me… I nvr return… $150 ≠ insult, I’d think about that… $100, mebbe I’m back next week!

… I’m just saying, max $$$ & best 4 popularity, don’t ask $300… $100-120= max profits…

We’re not really disagreeing here…

… ever hear of ASSHOLE TAX? $300= Asshole tax… xtra $$$ that they ask f/ disagreeable clients… some dudes posting here … they’re paying that…

Nice guys… we get discounts!

Why? … they want us back bcuz we make ‘m feel gd… some clients = real assholes… u reading many jerks here calling mpas= whores? They must b lotsa fun in rm, eh? Treat yer girl right, make her feel pretty & special, AFTER she’s had some smelly dude insulting & undertippng… man, she’s gonna luv u… want u 2 come back… gives u xtra services & discounts 2 make sure u do!

… how do I no that? Eh? Go on, ask me how I no that….

 

[xtc27]

Thw thing that messes with hfh is the high door fee, plus the 300 ask. Like 460 to fuck for 45 min. If the door is 160, then 100 to 150 in room for fs is reasonable. If the door is 60, theb 200 or so is reasonable

160+ 100= 260/45 min… still steep, but if u like the girl, ok…

$160+ 150= $310/45 min? U can get a cuter girl 4 less $$$ … but it’s not crazy…

Anything more tho… geez, dudes, wasting $$$.

… basically yer budget now has only 50% of fucks it had b4…

 

[Sybarite]

You forget, the girls there are not openly offering FS. It's the guys asking. Anyone going to HFH knows extras isn't really a thing so it's not like there is an expectation of extras.

It sounded like a number of Seduction girls have been decamping to HFH... if so, will that continue to be the case? Extras still won't be a thing at HFH and no one openly offering FS? Even as they have opened the new location and trying fairly hard to promote themselves these days?

Does it ever get to the point where the no extras model is not keeping up with the times and doesn't make good business sense anymore, or is there such a huge market for no extras that HFH, Flirt, Allure etc. will always continue to be busy with that model no matter what's available elsewhere?

 

[xtc27]

It sounded like a number of Seduction girls have been decamping to HFH... if so, will that continue to be the case? Extras still won't be a thing at HFH and no one openly offering FS? Even as they have opened the new location and trying fairly hard to promote themselves these days?

Does it ever get to the point where the no extras model is not keeping up with the times and doesn't make good business sense anymore, or is there such a huge market for no extras that HFH, Flirt, Allure etc. will always continue to be busy with that model no matter what's available elsewhere?

HFH= 3 locations, Flirt= 2 locations… which they held throughout 2 lockdowns…

…so I think biz model holding up…

Lotsa guys ≠ desperate 2 fuck… wifey @ home 4 that… but some action w hot chick = fun diversion… lack of bj/fs = no STD risk… wifey nvr gonna no…

Flirt VP really feels like rich guy place… no dirty bathrooms, sketchy towels, msg beds hard as ironing bd that creak… seems like underserved market…

…these guys went there FOR the NoFuck experience… who needs the hassle of haggling anyway? Prix fixe body slide…

Hiring full menu gals could b a problem… some dudes not open 2 xtras TBH… ofc HFH = less wealthy area, mebbe ok there…

 

[Essem]

I saw Miaa last week and extras were offered unprompted ($140 ontop of the room fee).

I don't visit HFH often because when you do get extras - the price is higher than most spas, bjs are usually covered and I rarely get a girl who's down for some good old fashioned dfk

 

[OppaiLover]

It sounded like a number of Seduction girls have been decamping to HFH... if so, will that continue to be the case? Extras still won't be a thing at HFH and no one openly offering FS? Even as they have opened the new location and trying fairly hard to promote themselves these days?

Does it ever get to the point where the no extras model is not keeping up with the times and doesn't make good business sense anymore, or is there such a huge market for no extras that HFH, Flirt, Allure etc. will always continue to be busy with that model no matter what's available elsewhere?

I'm sure there's a market for it, otherwise those other spas will be out of business. And I'm sure extras are openly offered but, it's usually by a minority of the girls, not to everyone, and at a premium.
Yes, there has been an exodus of Seduction girls to HFH, but I feel those girls didn't fit the seduction model anyway. They either didn't want to provide FS to everyone or, they want to charge exorbitant rates which Seduction clientele will never pay. I'll use Melina again as my example. Her Indy rate is $500/h, which we both know no one that frequents Seduction will be willing to pay. I don't even think Seduction management would even allow that to be honest. At HFH on the other hand, she can charge what she wants and she can even use the spa as a place to screen her Indy clients, as they will more likely be willing to pay the premium to see her outside.

 

[fuccboi]

I'm sure there's a market for it, otherwise those other spas will be out of business. And I'm sure extras are openly offered but, it's usually by a minority of the girls, not to everyone, and at a premium.
Yes, there has been an exodus of Seduction girls to HFH, but I feel those girls didn't fit the seduction model anyway. They either didn't want to provide FS to everyone or, they want to charge exorbitant rates which Seduction clientele will never pay. I'll use Melina again as my example. Her Indy rate is $500/h, which we both know no one that frequents Seduction will be willing to pay. I don't even think Seduction management would even allow that to be honest. At HFH on the other hand, she can charge what she wants and she can even use the spa as a place to screen her Indy clients, as they will more likely be willing to pay the premium to see her outside.

Is melina hot enough to be worth that much?

 

[drunkenmaster]

I saw Miaa last week and extras were offered unprompted ($140 ontop of the room fee).

I don't visit HFH often because when you do get extras - the price is higher than most spas, bjs are usually covered and I rarely get a girl who's down for some good old fashioned dfk

So the girls I've seen offer a bj for an extra 50 and fs for an extra 80-100 depending on the girl. A few girls that don't really do it shot me a high price on purpose i think to make me not want fs.

 

[xtc27]

So the girls I've seen offer a bj for an extra 50 and fs for an extra 80-100 depending on the girl. A few girls that don't really do it shot me a high price on purpose i think to make me not want fs.

Nice 2c a few dudes sharing actual truth… thx dude…

If they still work there, some gonna ask u 4 names… but I get it, mebbe best 2 STFU so she doesn’t get in trouble….

As u stated, really high $$$= DontWannaDoIt $$$…

 

[imthedude]

I saw Miaa last week and extras were offered unprompted ($140 ontop of the room fee).

I don't visit HFH often because when you do get extras - the price is higher than most spas, bjs are usually covered and I rarely get a girl who's down for some good old fashioned dfk

Yeah that sounds about right from previous reviews. I've seen a few girls at HFH now, Zara was probably the best, 140 for FS,offers DFK as well. Amelia and Asia are more restrictive but are apparently popular so I mean the market is there for being massaged and teased by a hot girl, but I would prefer that to be a prelude to other fun.

 

[xtc27]

… u no, this= best HFM thread ever!

…nuthin said here surprises… I concluded whats being said f/ various reviews…

Glad we can let that $300 tip/ fuck story get in2 some context!

 

[curvluvr]

Does it ever get to the point where the no extras model is not keeping up with the times and doesn't make good business sense anymore, or is there such a huge market for no extras that HFH, Flirt, Allure etc. will always continue to be busy with that model no matter what's available elsewhere?

At the pricing structure that others are reporting for extras, I think there will always be a market for no extras = lower mileage.
Here's my rationale, using HFH as an example:
- I can get a 30min bodyslide with HE for $140 all in, where the HE would be HJ or Russian.
- If extras START at $150 and up, why would I bother with extras if I can get off just as well with Russian?

Full disclosure: I'm a low mileage guy, with limited hobby funds. I want my fixed hobby budget to get me the maximum pleasure as possible. Others may disagree, but It doesn't make sense to pay more than double just to have that extra FS cherry on top.

For the price of the standard $140 fee plus the extra $150 and up, I'd much rather have a beautiful lady (or 2 or 3) get me off on two or more separate visits with a Russian finish.
Just more SOG per dollar.
Don't get me wrong... FS is great, but not at those upcharges that I'm hearing.

 

[xtc27]

At the pricing structure that others are reporting for extras, I think there will always be a market for no extras = lower mileage.
Here's my rationale, using HFH as an example:
- I can get a 30min bodyslide with HE for $140 all in, where the HE would be HJ or Russian.
- If extras START at $150 and up, why would I bother with extras if I can get off just as well with Russian?

Full disclosure: I'm a low mileage guy, with limited hobby funds. I want my fixed hobby budget to get me the maximum pleasure as possible. Others may disagree, but It doesn't make sense to pay more than double just to have that extra FS cherry on top.

For the price of the standard $140 fee plus the extra $150 and up, I'd much rather have a beautiful lady (or 2 or 3) get me off on two or more separate visits with a Russian finish.
Just more SOG per dollar.
Don't get me wrong... FS is great, but not at those upcharges that I'm hearing.

Exactly.

…not pretending I nvr fuck spa girls… but I don’t do bbfs w SW… so gotta deal w Doms…


It’s nice having that skin2skin contact of a Russian…

… our own kinks give us ways 2 play w/o breaking the bank… if I really wanna fuck, decent Asian spinner will do me $140 or less… if just a bj lotsa gd gals in town… esp if don’t need msg w it…

But spa atmosphere, really fun 2…. msg really extends the play time….

 

[Sybarite]

At the pricing structure that others are reporting for extras, I think there will always be a market for no extras = lower mileage.
Here's my rationale, using HFH as an example:
- I can get a 30min bodyslide with HE for $140 all in, where the HE would be HJ or Russian.
- If extras START at $150 and up, why would I bother with extras if I can get off just as well with Russian?

Full disclosure: I'm a low mileage guy, with limited hobby funds. I want my fixed hobby budget to get me the maximum pleasure as possible. Others may disagree, but It doesn't make sense to pay more than double just to have that extra FS cherry on top.

For the price of the standard $140 fee plus the extra $150 and up, I'd much rather have a beautiful lady (or 2 or 3) get me off on two or more separate visits with a Russian finish.
Just more SOG per dollar.
Don't get me wrong... FS is great, but not at those upcharges that I'm hearing.

Agreed that when girls are charging ridiculous prices for extras it really doesn't make any rational sense, particularly considering you can just get all in pricing for everything by visiting an SP. And that is a widespread problem throughout the massage industry.

Nevertheless, not all girls charge ridiculous prices for extras, which changes the calculus significantly.

Furthermore it's possible extra costs will level out more once market rates are more firmly established...

 

[Sybarite]

For example... if it's $150 to get in and she wants another $150 for a BBBJ, that's obviously a terrible deal and if she's charging rates like that then it will likely be a terrible session regardless.

On the other hand if it's $150 to get in and another $50 for a BBBJ (=$200 total), plus all the other things that might come together as a package like DFK, DATY, etc. and delivered with way more enthusiasm because now you're playing her game, is $150 for a more basic level of service really the much better deal?

Look I totally get it that everyone is looking for something different, and the continued viability of the lower milage spas perhaps indicates that is the preferred level of contact for the majority of clients out there.

But it's also possible that in addition to clients who actively prefer and seek out lower milage encounters, there are also a lot of guys who are simply unaware of what is available at a reasonable price point, all things considered....

 

[curvluvr]

Even if the MPA does offer extras, it's the smart ones who provide the same enthusiastic session, whether a menu was accepted or declined. That will keep people coming back, regardless of the mileage level.
For those who end up providing shitty service when a menu is declined are solely relying on those people who are willing to pay $400+ for FS. I somehow doubt that these MPA's have many repeat customers.

 

[drunkenmaster]

For example... if it's $150 to get in and she wants another $150 for a BBBJ, that's obviously a terrible deal and if she's charging rates like that then it will likely be a terrible session regardless.

On the other hand if it's $150 to get in and another $50 for a BBBJ (=$200 total), plus all the other things that might come together as a package like DFK, DATY, etc. and delivered with way more enthusiasm because now you're playing her game, is $150 for a more basic level of service really the much better deal?

Look I totally get it that everyone is looking for something different, and the continued viability of the lower milage spas perhaps indicates that is the preferred level of contact for the majority of clients out there.

But it's also possible that in addition to clients who actively prefer and seek out lower milage encounters, there are also a lot of guys who are simply unaware of what is available at a reasonable price point, all things considered....

What i"m experiencing is 140 for the half hour bodyslide and an extra 50 for a bj. So 190 total for 30 minutes. FS was an extra 100 on top of the 140 for total of 240...still not cheap for 30 minutes but pretty much what most girls at other spas charge too. The much higher prices are a girls way of saying i won't unless its for a lot of money.