Lavender Spa Thread Gone?

Licensing is done by municipalities but York region sets the tone.

Girls will move to another city the other municipalities will see and come down on them

It's a chain reaction
 
I don't think so. EBC is not close to residential neighborhood. It's all industrial and commercial businesses except a newly built condo facing Bellagio. It could be complaints from other businesses around here and it's quite embarrassing for City to have spas lining up side by side with City bldg.

By residents I mean both residential and commercial. And local residents go to other businesses in the area. Throw in one or two angry wives and sooner or later there will be complaints.
 
My guess is they will start working at other spas in the city. The spas with multiple locations might be less impacted for now at least, but yeah this is going to financially impact the ladies heavily.

To work in Toronto a mpa needs a license. Many of them don't want their name registered anywhere that could tie them back to being a mpa. Many will have to work underground for lack of a better word.
 
Nothing's set in stone.

Things could be different thia time around.

Just sharing what happened last time.

There weren't as many spas then and they weren't as openly promoting the 'extra' services

There were just as many spas in the EBC area at the time of the raids that closed them all down last time. EBC, East Wilmot, Sims and 9005 Leslie and 9011 Leslie units were dominated by spas. I used to work in that area in its glory days.
 
Did the spas just slowly start popping up again? Wonder how long they waited lol...
Based on old terb threads, they started coming back around 2009/2010, with just a couple, and then more and more around 2013.

Edit: Funny re-reading those old threads. A certain "marketing professional" here was playing at the same things back then as well. The more things change ...
 
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There were just as many spas in the EBC area at the time of the raids that closed them all down last time. EBC, East Wilmot, Sims and 9005 Leslie and 9011 Leslie units were dominated by spas. I used to work in that area in its glory days.
Yup.
 
There's an article about the 2003/2004 crackdown. Interesting read:


There were just as many spas in the EBC area at the time of the raids that closed them all down last time. EBC, East Wilmot, Sims and 9005 Leslie and 9011 Leslie units were dominated by spas. I used to work in that area in its glory days.
The article mentions 10 spas on EBC but there's got to be closer to 20 today, and way more if you include the surrounding streets

Based on old terb threads, they started coming back around 2009/2010, with just a couple, and then more and more around 2013
Damn, if that's the case and a similar 'clean up' is done now then it could be years before things get back to normal

On the other hand, the number of spas in the area seem to have exploded over the last few years, so I wouldn't exactly call the current situation 'normal'
 
The article mentions 10 spas on EBC but there's got to be closer to 20 today, and way more if you include the surrounding streets
Probably over a hundred if you include the surrounding areas.

The reason local municipalities are cracking down is obviously nuiscense for surrounding business, and the image of the city of Richmond Hill as a center of prostitution. The one reason that is not talked because operators are too afraid to speak out, are links between all those spas and organized crime, see this in light of fentanyl production, i.e. as per factual reports, billions of dollars are funneled back from North America to China to a handful of very large and influential syndicates. For all those reasons, the city has a strong motive to act. A very small number of spas in Richmond Hill are adapting to this by reducing risk and transforming from offering prostitution (well let's call it what it is), to reducing the extras, and focusing on room fee revenue from RMT massage and by attracting female clients.
 
Probably over a hundred if you include the surrounding areas.

The reason local municipalities are cracking down is obviously nuiscense for surrounding business, and the image of the city of Richmond Hill as a center of prostitution. The one reason that is not talked because operators are too afraid to speak out, are links between all those spas and organized crime, see this in light of fentanyl production, i.e. as per factual reports, billions of dollars are funneled back from North America to China to a handful of very large and influential syndicates. For all those reasons, the city has a strong motive to act. A very small number of spas in Richmond Hill are adapting to this by reducing risk and transforming from offering prostitution (well let's call it what it is), to reducing the extras, and focusing on room fee revenue from RMT massage and by attracting female clients.
Do you have any evidence of these spas being linked to organized crime? Crime of any sort?
 
Do you have any evidence of these spas being linked to organized crime? Crime of any sort?
Here are some links.


We are talking about a 45 bilion dollar global industry. Chinese triads are incredibly well connected and have tentacles in various Chinese operated industries, especially in Ontario and British Columbia. They are also very brutal, and punishment can be very swift. You need to understand how close knit the Chinese communities are, as well as the inability to speak English and fear of deportation. All these factors ensure that this is not something, businesses or employees talk about openly, whether it concerns massage parlors, restaurants or nail salons.
 
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Here are some links.


We are talking about a 45 bilion dollar global industry. Chinese triads are incredibly well connected and have tentacles in various Chinese operated industries, especially in Ontario and British Columbia. They are also very brutal, and punishment can be very swift. You need to understand how close knit the Chinese communities are, as well as the inability to speak English and fear of deportation. All these factors ensure that this is not something, businesses or employees talk about openly, whether it concerns massage parlors, restaurants or nail salons.
Ok. I canโ€™t read the TGAM article but the other three donโ€™t relate to canada or Ontario. I donโ€™t doubt that this may happen but thereโ€™s no specific cases. And the whole money laundering argument - might as well arrest every construction worker and gig employee while you are at it - the under ground economy is huge in Canada and the US. Itโ€™s basically the biggest part of the economy in places like Greece - are you going to shut down every Greek bakery in Toronto? And does shutting down the massage parlours do anything to correct that underground economy? I know there are audits of restaurants that use modified POS software to remove transactions - they are being used there to find actual rule breakers and not shutting down every restaurant. What is stopping the local government from auditing the businesses and their employees?

What is the harm done here? And how will these actions address these harms?
 
Here are some links.


We are talking about a 45 bilion dollar global industry. Chinese triads are incredibly well connected and have tentacles in various Chinese operated industries, especially in Ontario and British Columbia. They are also very brutal, and punishment can be very swift. You need to understand how close knit the Chinese communities are, as well as the inability to speak English and fear of deportation. All these factors ensure that this is not something, businesses or employees talk about openly, whether it concerns massage parlors, restaurants or nail salons.
The B.C. article cites two specific cases but nothing about the massage parlours.
 
Here are some links.


We are talking about a 45 bilion dollar global industry. Chinese triads are incredibly well connected and have tentacles in various Chinese operated industries, especially in Ontario and British Columbia. They are also very brutal, and punishment can be very swift. You need to understand how close knit the Chinese communities are, as well as the inability to speak English and fear of deportation. All these factors ensure that this is not something, businesses or employees talk about openly, whether it concerns massage parlors, restaurants or nail salons.
Hereโ€™s another link thatโ€™s more relevant to whatโ€™s going on here than the three links that you provided that I was able to read:


In particular:
police found most human trafficking in the region happens within hotels, condos and short-term rentals.

Also
The report added that no children have been recovered from regional body rub parlours since 2008.

Robert Vallee of Parents Against Child Trafficking - Markham and Richmond Hill was critical of police and their handling of the issue.


โ€œOur groupโ€™s goal is to make York Region the first region in Ontario that is free from sex trafficking, by pimps and traffickers, but also free from the crime of prostituting women,โ€ he said. โ€œAt this time, both the police force and the board are not on the same page (as us) because of misinformation."

But prostitution isnโ€™t a crime. Paying for it is.

Further, Newmarketโ€™s efforts will probably be used as a template for other municipalities to regulate:

Newmarketโ€™s rules aim to halt licences for alternative massage businesses that fail to meet new requirements, such as proof of qualification for employees, and add fines for issues such as sexual activity.

This is probably the bylaw route that they will go. But as noted in the first quote, it wonโ€™t actually do any harm reduction but possibly increase the risk to women.
 
I should have summarized the article for everyone:

Shutting down spas is not about criminal gangs or sex trafficking. Itโ€™s not about making things safer for women. Itโ€™s about controlling what adults can consensually do in private. Itโ€™s absolutely puritanical bullshit.
 
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    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi ,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  37. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  38. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : MIKO: from Taiwan, is young, very pretty, slim & busty internet celebrity who can make your face shine. 5'2", 100 Lbs, long black hair. Excellent service strong massage bbbj cim dfk, all menus. SOPHIA (11:30am-9pm): is a cute, young & pretty Singaporean girl
  39. HollywoodSpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: MIMI & TRACY. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž MIMI is a slim Chinese spinner hottie with a great ass, great body slide & liberal services. TRACY is a slim, taller & pretty lady, very friendly with an extensive menu. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care \
  40. bnwellness_wilson:
    have 4 masseuse are working today. Young sexy Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open mind and new Tenteant Anita 30โ€™s with curve body open mind, young pretty popular Lily small 25โ€™s with curve body and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  41. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cali & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cali is a slim and beautiful Korean lady with a complete range of services. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€
  42. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage w
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CAMILLA, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CAMILLA is from Mexico and Indiana
  44. Golden Flower Spa:
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  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elega
  47. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sasa friendly Vietnamese girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl Sami Vietnamese Girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girlโ€จโ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Kiki and chloe Sarah works
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธCindy, sexy girl 1.65 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  50. Alibi Massage and Spa:
    ๐Ÿ”ฅNOW at Alibi Massage & Spa ๐Ÿ’ƒ Breathtaking ladies ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™‚๏ธ Pure pleasure & relaxation with an exclusive twistโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ“ž905 212 1222 ๐Ÿ“1380 Matheson Blvd East, Missisuaga
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