Video recording in the spa, terb and such

[JEG]

The next series is from terb in order of appearance

Quoted Squee

Just wonder what it is with these elderly Asian folks having multiple online persona disorder... must be something for me to look forward to 40+ years later on from now I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Originally Posted by Open Wide
In the spirit of Jekyll and Hyde this was one of his “nice guy” personas.
Very apt analogy. Not 2 years ago, Azazel was a respected member of the TERB (see here: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...rite-reviewers ) who received much praise and admiration from fellow members. Then came the presumable fateful chain of events that would lead to this transformation.

I will say the personas were quite convincing. Anyone who remembers what Omega/Azazel was like would be hard pressed to connect the dots between him and the calculating, conniving, and diabolical poster who wrote with such distain and vitriol about his "conquests" in the guise of "helping" fellow reviewers (though fitting giving theme of his usernames). Yet here we are. He was banned from Premier yet posted current reviews as though he were still patronizing them, likely he used his network of mileage contacts to pass off their information as his own. He was smart enough to write with such a tactful style that posts weren't explicit enough to violate TERB rules but clever readers could read between the lines and put 2 and 2 together. He gave off the impression that he knew where to find mileage and likely attracted even more lurking mileage hunters to him. Not only posting about Premier but other MPs like Muse and Flirt.

It will be interesting to see if he can let go of this whole obsession or if we're in for another round of drama. So long as his handles remain active others will probably try to reach out to him and he'll find new "acolytes" to whom he can spread his agenda. Hopefully with the help of badass women like Daniella on our side, we can be vigilant and keep the TERB community a healthy one that is beneficial and constructive for both clients and service providers.

Lastly, just because people are piling on Azazel for shit disturbing, let's not forget that everyone else here is not innocent either (case in point the so called Hidden Cameras debacle https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...inside-the-spa)* so you as the reader need to remain critical of what you read and as a contributor respectful about whom you are writing.

*Thread was live and subsequently deleted


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Quoted Robertt

Originally Posted by Squee
Very apt analo
Lastly, just because people are piling on Azazel for shit disturbing, let's not forget that everyone else here is not innocent either (case in point the so called Hidden Cameras debacle https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...inside-the-spa) so you as the reader need to remain critical of what you read and as a contributor respectful about whom you are writing.

In response to your "camera debacle" I will post the court document tomorrow.

In summary, it was a pathetic play by the defense to involve a spa in a stupid civil matter by using threats of criminal action to avoid a debt. Her counsel was given a period of time to put forth a new defense, taking into account the allegations and failed to do so. Instead her counsel asked for consent to extend time based on new and seperate allegations. We will be asking for exorbitant cost as compensation for the stunt. Because the source of the video can only come from one source, the spa has now become involved.

The statement and thread is sound.

Big difference between truth and lies.


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quoted squee

Originally Posted by RobertT
The statement and thread is sound.

Apparently not since your thread was removed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *

Originally Posted by RobertT
In response to your "camera debacle" I will post the court document tomorrow.

You're making my point for me. You have beef with the MPA and the Spa. There's apparently money involved and people lying left, right, and center. Ok, cool story bro. Yes, someone is likely at fault but that's all between you and the other parties as we have no dog in this fight. Settle it in the courts.

There was no need to come on the forums with the inflammatory thread about "court documents claiming video surveillance". By feigning your own ignorance and conveniently leaving out key contextual points, it was an attempt to get people all riled up and prey upon their paranoia. Luckily, many other posters were skeptical of your intentions and called you out on it.

* Thread was "live" as per link in previous post by squee

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Quote Robertt

Originally Posted by Squee
Apparently not since your thread was removed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You're making my point for me. You have beef with the MPA and the Spa. There's apparently money involved and people lying left, right, and center. Ok, cool story bro. Yes, someone is likely at fault but that's all between you and the other parties as we have no dog in this fight. Settle it in the courts.

There was no need to come on the forums with the inflammatory thread about "court documents claiming video surveillance". By feigning your own ignorance and conveniently leaving out key contextual points, it was an attempt to get people all riled up and prey upon their paranoia. Luckily, many other posters were skeptical of your intentions and called you out on it.

So is a spa getting involved in something that isn't their business, but THEY made the choice, not I. The fact is that they provided ( or threatened to provide, meaning they use video surveilance ) inside the spa makes it a point of discussion, so you are wrong.
BUT carry on trying to defend yourself, the document will be posted tomorrow.


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Quoted squee

Originally Posted by RobertT
So is a spa getting involved in something that isn't their business, but THEY made the choice, not I. The fact is that they provided ( or threatened to provide, meaning they use video surveilance ) inside the spa makes it a point of discussion, so you are wrong.
BUT carry on trying to defend yourself, the document will be posted tomorrow.


If you honestly wanted to have that point of discussion then you should have written the original post as such rather than leaving it vague and up to speculation in order to stir up controversy. I think it's safe to assume that almost everyone is ok with the current level video surveillance in spas given most of us aren't pulling girls into rooms against their will. Just saying... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Originally Posted by Squee
If you honestly wanted to have that point of discussion then you should have written the original post as such rather than leaving it vague and up to speculation in order to stir up controversy. I think it's safe to assume that almost everyone is ok with the current level video surveillance in spas given most of us aren't pulling girls into rooms against their will. Just saying... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're floundering,
like her defense, it was presented to us as extremely vague, i can't present what I don't know. the mpa and her counsel after 2 years are still vague, since we are still not sure exactly what the defense is going to be lie a b or c. So it is not my fault, the spa is certainly aware of it as well as the mpa and had the opportunity to present on a forum. again not my doing.

FWIW, video recording is NOT permitted in Toronto, again a point of discussion, so yes some may be ok, some may not, you are not in a position to speak for all, it is worthy of discussion. NO

Further, as unfortunate as the recent post from allure in regards to video taping sessions, I believe I pointed out that by having video allows a defense for some A-hole to say that video is used and the mpas are aware. couple that with the fact that the rooms are not private ( hole in unlocked door ) may give someone the out.

just saying, but like I said, it will be released tomorrow, so cool your jets and wait for the black and white and try to make sense of it then.

Just to let you know, I don't back peddle , nor lie, nor talk out of the side of my mouth.


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quoted mod

Note: publishing personal information on TERB is not permitted.

Item# 7: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...ing-Guidelines

Like I would post my name or the mpa name up... Just an excuse.


THREAD LOCKED

 

[JEG]

The good news is that one has the absolute right to have an accuser come before the courts and prove their allegations.

Just Saying

 

[JEG]

Just the cover letter? That's it? Where is the rest of the document?

Like just about every other business pretty much all spas have video cameras in them, so this is not exactly a news flash.

And more than any other business, spas really need cameras, given their late hours (which are also technically not permitted) and the vulnerability of an all female staff (as demonstrated by the recent spate of armed robberies and this particular case, seemingly).

NAME ONE LEGAL BUSINESS THAT WOULD ALLOW ( KEEP IN THEIR EMPLOY ) AN EMPLOYEE THAT STEALS FROM A CUSTOMER.

FYI. I was told by a spa owner that this same MPA stole money from another customer to buy a car. $10k

This is a totally different world to what the norm is, different rules to play by

 

[escapefromstress]

Most people who pile on and make a big deal over other people's drama, are just as guilty of various wrong doings themselves, and make a fuss to hide their own relief at not getting caught.

As JEG mentioned elsewhere, I have been a Mod on 2 review boards, and been personal friends with a few Admins and Mods of other boards along the way. If you read the Terms of Service on boards that have them, it plainly states that multiple handles are forbidden, 'without the consent of Admin'. All Admins and Mods of all boards I've known, have had at least a few regular handles available to use when needed, and a I think a lot of regular members have more than one handle.

Most review boards are run like a business, as they should be. Most Mod actions are done with 'the good of the whole community' in mind, but there's some without integrity that use their positions to gain 'free favours'. I guess that's par for the course in most businesses though.

 

[Ursus]

I am proud to say that I don't use multiple handles.

I can debate anyone, anytime, anywhere. I don't need multiple handles.

Nodrama, MisterAsianLover, Ursus.

I, singlehandedly, brought 2 boards from nothing to heavily trafficked. I am that good at this online forum thing. Chase from SP411 keeps asking me to come back, but his board is ruined by that foul-mouthed Butch and the old guy who resembles Kernel Sanders of KFC fame.



KFC frontman or Gene Kelly? There is no difference in appearence.

 

[papaya]

I am proud to say that I don't use multiple handles.

I can debate anyone, anytime, anywhere. I don't need multiple handles.

Nodrama, MisterAsianLover, Ursus.

I, singlehandedly, brought 2 boards from nothing to heavily trafficked. I am that good at this online forum thing. Chase from SP411 keeps asking me to come back, but his board is ruined by that foul-mouthed Butch and the old guy who resembles Kernel Sanders of KFC fame.

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KFC frontman or Gene Kelly? There is no difference in appearence.

I thought he wanted a 20 Swiss Chalet card from you before joining his website.
2 boards such as Terb and Caerf? Which did you prefer?

Crusty the clown with plastic boobies from Caerf has predominately converted many members into becoming a Mangina. She has this attitude: You mess with me, I am going to follow and harass you and most importantly destroy your reputation. What a fucking a joke. Anyone with a few brain cells could detect this sham but unfortunately this is not the case.

 

[Woody Womb Pecker]

You guys have WAY too much time on your hands. You're carrying on about all this like a bunch of yentas.

 

[Ursus]

Yeah, Chase wanted me to send the old man a $20 gift card to Swiss Chalet. I said yes, but as long as the old man sends J7 a gift card too, for he harassed her, Catherinetog and many others for too long - only fair I think. Plus, the old man lived off of his wife's business success for years, so its not like he needs my $20. How do you think he got that piece of real estate in Vancouver? His wife gave it to him as part of the divorce. Imagine that? Harassing so many people on a hooker review board that your wife divorces you and ends up giving you a prime piece of real estate in Vancouver just to get rid of your ass.

Pathetic. My wife is rich too, but I never touch her money. I have morals when it comes to other people's property.

And WWP, shut up you dumb bitch. You are a girly Mangina that attacks other men on review boards on behalf of the hookers that put you to work.

 

[papaya]

Yeah, Chase wanted me to send the old man a $20 gift card to Swiss Chalet. I said yes, but as long as the old man sends J7 a gift card too, for he harassed her, Catherinetog and many others for too long - only fair I think. Plus, the old man lived off of his wife's business success for years, so its not like he needs my $20. How do you think he got that piece of real estate in Vancouver? His wife gave it to him as part of the divorce. Imagine that? Harassing so many people on a hooker review board that your wife divorces you and ends up giving you a prime piece of real estate in Vancouver just to get rid of your ass.

Pathetic. My wife is rich too, but I never touch her money. I have morals when it comes to other people's property.

And WWP, shut up you dumb bitch. You are a girly Mangina that attacks other men on review boards on behalf of the hookers that put you to work.

I remember Catherinetog from 4 or 5 years ago near Harbourfront. She is quite older but willing to please. Apparently she was in a rush to go elsewhere and it was bad timing. She told me she would make it up to me next time but I didn't repeat.

 

[quickdraw]

I am proud to say that I don't use multiple handles.

I can debate anyone, anytime, anywhere. I don't need multiple handles.

Nodrama, MisterAsianLover, Ursus.

I, singlehandedly, brought 2 boards from nothing to heavily trafficked. I am that good at this online forum thing. Chase from SP411 keeps asking me to come back, but his board is ruined by that foul-mouthed Butch and the old guy who resembles Kernel Sanders of KFC fame.

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KFC frontman or Gene Kelly? There is no difference in appearence.

Good for you. Now go fine yourself a young girl to celebrate.

 

[JEG]

As for the rest of it, clearly you are the star protagonist of some grand drama in your own mind, but I don’t think anyone else cares or knows what the hell you are talking about.

The saying is "I'm sorry to hear about your problem, glad it isn't me", yes I don't care if no one knows or cares. I will tell you one thing, almost EVERY girl knows about this. For the guys, I hope they think twice about helping ANY mpa, because the other saying is "one bad apple spoils the bunch. The ladies should take heed too.
Who would want to put themselves through 2 years in court and worse, be threatened, including criminal action just because you asked for your money back. There is more of this story to come.... as it unfolds.

Next time you think you will poke me, I suggest you use a longer stick.
Now I said my peace, thanks for bringing it up on terb.

 

[escapefromstress]

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't speak up about these kinds of issues. If it happened to another guy in the future and then JEG spoke up, people would be giving him shit for not warning them back when it happened to him.

 

[Ursus]

Simple method to protect yourself against female manipulation - yes, women are manipulators.

Treat women exactly the way you would treat a man.

 

[topo112]

The saying is "I'm sorry to hear about your problem, glad it isn't me", yes I don't care if no one knows or cares. I will tell you one thing, almost EVERY girl knows about this. For the guys, I hope they think twice about helping ANY mpa, because the other saying is "one bad apple spoils the bunch. The ladies should take heed too.
Who would want to put themselves through 2 years in court and worse, be threatened, including criminal action just because you asked for your money back. There is more of this story to come.... as it unfolds.

Next time you think you will poke me, I suggest you use a longer stick.
Now I said my peace, thanks for bringing it up on terb.

Ungreatful whore she is!

 

[Ursus]

Women are not to be trusted. Whores are even less trustworthy than the average civie woman. Whores are working as whores for a reason. They aren't Mother Theresa.

They place ads on BP and on websites encouraging men to cheat on their wives and give them money for sex. Not the best of society, that is for sure.