Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

[xtc27]

Again, you’re not thorough if you haven’t seen my recent reviews.

You’re contradicting yourself if you say it comes down to fear, and then say I’m not an antivaxxer. Wouldn’t there be fear attached to taking the proven vaccines I’ve taken? Or do you admit there is something to be feared with this vaccine?

My problem with the vaccine debate is the personal attacks. Everyone should do what they want. Why is it that the people who got vaccinated call the antivaxxers names, like “losers”, and vice versa? Let’s debate the vaccine, not who chooses to take it. Btw, I know you didn’t call me out on that, and I appreciate it.

What would you call a drug developed in 8 months, if not experimental?

As soon as the indys opened their doors, I was there. Probably sooner than you, since only the indys that saw Covid for what it was were back in business. If they had already been reviewed, there was no need for repetition. If they are gems, I’m not going to open them up to “conspiracy theorist” criticism. Or should I say “spoiler alerts”.

You never answered the question. Who is the fearful one? The nurse that got the vaccine, or the nurse that lost her job to keep it out of his/her system? I find the latter to be more brave.

Dude, you’re insightful, provide great reviews and posts (even if they’re hard to read). I’m usually interested in what you have to say. But I haven’t taken my course of action lightly. I’ve done the research, weighed out the pros and cons, and looked at the risk factors. I only hoped that I recovered fully or died if I got it. Didn’t want complications.

I got Covid, I recovered fully, and my immune system did what it’s supposed to. I even tried to get the vaccine after (just to be able to travel, go to the gym etc.), and was told by multiple pharmacists and my doctor that I don’t need it since I’ve had Covid.

Did you do the same due diligence, or were you just following the rules?


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So, u had COVID? …

… don’t remember this being said b4… u might think it’s like closing barn door after horse escaped… … u cant prevent something that already happened…

… I nvr got COVID tho, so my immune system > yours!

I find nuthin courageous about a nurse who refuses a vax … quite the opposite, she’s selfishly indulging a wish 2c others try it 1st, thus becoming a disease vector 4 immune compromised patients… she could wipe out a whole ward… some hero! Lock her up…

I really hate antivaxxer losers & conspiracy mongers who hijack threads 4 their own agenda… that doesn’t mean all anti-vax= losers… it means some losers = antivx

Actually, did a ton of research… highly suspicious of mRNA vax @ 1st, since it’s triggering something like an autoimmune response, but AZ& JJ use different technology, so there’s choice out there… anyway, after literally millions of people got it, not worried re mRNA vx either… mRNA actually not new, just not used as vx b4… so yeah, in so many ways, it’s not experimental in 2022

Me= very convinced I’m harder 2 kill than most, no way a little needle gonna scare me… doubt I’d get sick even if exposed w/o vx, but imagine I could carry evil lil virus , so rather do my best not 2…

…main thing COVID changed… now I check 2c if girl drops her mask … if it’s new girl, no reviews, I have a few tricks 2 get them 2 take it off… most effective, u tell them take it off or gbye… oh, I’m nice, saying I really need 2c that pretty face , I’ll come back later when u don’t need 2 wear one… & she drops it… but it’s kinda nuclear option… there is no value to ill fitting mask in small rm…

 

[not impressed]

The vaccines and mandates are working so well that we’re going into modified stage 2.

I cannot express how funny this is.


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So funny..not like thousands of guys blowing their load in a 5 8 unventilated filthy room has anything to do with it ..hilarious , maybe time to grease up the palms

 

[Justine2016]

Buh buh buh... but vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness and death. Well, not enough to prevent the ICU numbers from rising. Not enough to prevent another lockdown. Effective my ass. Our lives haven't changed for the better.

The problem isn’t the ICU numbers increasing it is the number of doctors and nurses calling in sick which is reducing hospital capacity. In hindsight it was a big mistake to fire all the staff who choose not to get vaccinated with what we now know about the vaccine.

 

[Boston Man Chowder]

The problem isn’t the ICU numbers increasing it is the number of doctors and nurses calling in sick which is reducing hospital capacity. In hindsight it was a big mistake to fire all the staff who choose not to get vaccinated with what we now know about the vaccine.

The very we people we touted in 2020 as heroes are the same ones we punished in 2021 if they didn't comply to a dumb mandate.

At this point, with the vaccines around, there should be a system in place to reward and protect people and businesses who have complied since this all began. We were told 85% was the magic number to prevent lockdown yet here we are at 88% locking down anyway. With a high vax rate not changing the trajectory in Ontario, there is no way to convince vaccine-hesitant people to take it. The message to them now is that it never gets better but shut up and do your part.

 

[not impressed]

If you go to a spa, in a tight almost sealed room, even with your mask on all the time, I don't know how good it's to protect you. It may not be much different if you kiss or not.

What happens to all the dried ejaculate on the walls , baseboards, girls clothes.. well it dries , becomes dust , dust is inhaled..so !

 

[sy barite]

We're locking down for say...another month, in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.

The population of Ontario is 14.5 million and we've had about 2.5 million covid cases, so 12 million people can get it (we won't even factor in re-infections). So can someone explain what will be different in a month? Is the plan to protect ICU capacity essentially forever?

Has anyone talked about a simple cost/benefit analysis? I.E., how much would it cost to temporarily bump up ICU capacity to say, 10 000 vs cost of closing businesses and paying people to stay home? The highest per bed cost I've found says an ICU bed with staff costs $250 000.00. Consequently the cost of 10 000 ICU units would be $2.5 billion. Yes, I know these are just guesstimates but shouldn't this have been a conversation our leaders had?

So many more questions too. Why are death rates in places following very different protocols so similar? Does that not show all of the distancing, mandating and restricting is not worth the bang for the buck?

Let's admit we simply can't stop the spread of this virus. I know it sounds cold, but I say, let 'er rip and the hospitals will just do the best they can.

 

[goodtogo1962]

The human body has not changed, it was made to fight infections and like a car maintained will last for years. Death is a part of life ,you live the best you can and enjoy it while you can. So far the vaccine has not worked, look at cruise ships full of vaccinated people and they had Covid breakouts. Look at Isreal, they are on their second booster.

As bad as it sounds you are better off getting Covid and then if you survive you are protected from everything after as your body will even recognize and combat the variants. This jab is only good for a limited time and cannot recognize a variant. Just like the flu shot was based off the last years flu strain.

If you are healthy you will survive. The costs of this are going to burden us for many many years. We are better off with herd immunity and just getting back to normal.

 

[Justine2016]

We're locking down for say...another month, in order to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.

The population of Ontario is 14.5 million and we've had about 2.5 million covid cases, so 12 million people can get it (we won't even factor in re-infections). So can someone explain what will be different in a month? Is the plan to protect ICU capacity essentially forever?

Has anyone talked about a simple cost/benefit analysis? I.E., how much would it cost to temporarily bump up ICU capacity to say, 10 000 vs cost of closing businesses and paying people to stay home? The highest per bed cost I've found says an ICU bed with staff costs $250 000.00. Consequently the cost of 10 000 ICU units would be $2.5 billion. Yes, I know these are just guesstimates but shouldn't this have been a conversation our leaders had?

So many more questions too. Why are death rates in places following very different protocols so similar? Does that not show all of the distancing, mandating and restricting is not worth the bang for the buck?

Let's admit we simply can't stop the spread of this virus. I know it sounds cold, but I say, let 'er rip and the hospitals will just do the best they can.

The theory behind the restrictions is as follows:
1) The restrictions spread the infections out over time I.e. rather then having 1M infections in January you have 500K in January and 500K in February.
2) As people get boosters the chance of infection decreases. For example assume an unvaccinated person has an 80% chance of getting COVID a double vaccinated person has a 50% chance of getting COVID and a Triple vaccinated person has 20% chance of getting COVID.

Again my numbers arn't scientific but just meant to demonstrate the theory. Where the theory fails is if the chance of getting COVID for a triple vaccinated person is not significantly less then the chance for a double vaccinated person. Then this strategy employed by the provinces is not going to work and you will see the restrictions extended from the initial three weeks.

 

[goodtogo1962]

The theory behind the restrictions is as follows:
1) The restrictions spread the infections out over time I.e. rather then having 1M infections in January you have 500K in January and 500K in February.
2) As people get boosters the chance of infection decreases. For example assume an unvaccinated person has an 80% chance of getting COVID a double vaccinated person has a 50% chance of getting COVID and a Triple vaccinated person has 20% chance of getting COVID.

Again my numbers arn't scientific but just meant to demonstrate the theory. Where the theory fails is if the chance of getting COVID for a triple vaccinated person is not significantly less then the chance for a double vaccinated person. Then this strategy employed by the provinces is not going to work and you will see the restrictions extended from the initial three weeks.

If we really wanted to get rid of this we would be totally locked down for a solid 3 weeks. They give you time to prepare and get what you need. Everyone stay home, the essential workers will be split over 3 week periods. Then it would be done. They don't because they only want to control us with digital id's, cyber money and control.

 

[Justine2016]

If we really wanted to get rid of this we would be totally locked down for a solid 3 weeks. They give you time to prepare and get what you need. Everyone stay home, the essential workers will be split over 3 week periods. Then it would be done. They don't because they only want to control us with digital id's, cyber money and control.

Your strategy only works if you can stop cases from coming in from out of province, otherwise yes you would dramatically decrease cases during the full lockdown but once you open up new Infections would resume. Personally the right strategy is to have increased capacity in the health care system, if I was the Government I would get rid of the vaccine mandates as they don’t serve a purpose now (all the health care staff calling in sick now for COVID are double vaccinated) and rehire a number of the nurses and doctors who were let go for being unvaccinated.

 

[sy barite]

The theory behind the restrictions is as follows:
1) The restrictions spread the infections out over time I.e. rather then having 1M infections in January you have 500K in January and 500K in February.
2) As people get boosters the chance of infection decreases. For example assume an unvaccinated person has an 80% chance of getting COVID a double vaccinated person has a 50% chance of getting COVID and a Triple vaccinated person has 20% chance of getting COVID.

Again my numbers arn't scientific but just meant to demonstrate the theory. Where the theory fails is if the chance of getting COVID for a triple vaccinated person is not significantly less then the chance for a double vaccinated person. Then this strategy employed by the provinces is not going to work and you will see the restrictions extended from the initial three weeks.

Though I disagree with the efficacy of the plan, I think you have accurately reflected the government's argument. I also doubt the numbers, but for the sake of our argument, let's assume your estimates are correct, and we could hold infections to 500k per month (it will actually be quite a bit lower). By that logic, we will be locked down for a minimum of two years. The lower the number of monthly infections, the longer we stay locked down. Is that acceptable to you? And by the way, 1% of 500k is still 5000 which would overwhelm the ICU anyway.

 

[sy barite]

If we really wanted to get rid of this we would be totally locked down for a solid 3 weeks. They give you time to prepare and get what you need. Everyone stay home, the essential workers will be split over 3 week periods. Then it would be done. They don't because they only want to control us with digital id's, cyber money and control.

See, this is the kind of thinking I can't follow. Let's say we could hold new infections to ZERO for three weeks. What do you imagine would change in that period of time? Would we not be exactly where we are today?

 

[jimmyd]

So, u had COVID? …

… don’t remember this being said b4… u might think it’s like closing barn door after horse escaped… … u cant prevent something that already happened…

… I nvr got COVID tho, so my immune system > yours!

I find nuthin courageous about a nurse who refuses a vax … quite the opposite, she’s selfishly indulging a wish 2c others try it 1st, thus becoming a disease vector 4 immune compromised patients… she could wipe out a whole ward… some hero! Lock her up…

I really hate antivaxxer losers & conspiracy mongers who hijack threads 4 their own agenda… that doesn’t mean all anti-vax= losers… it means some losers = antivx

Actually, did a ton of research… highly suspicious of mRNA vax @ 1st, since it’s triggering something like an autoimmune response, but AZ& JJ use different technology, so there’s choice out there… anyway, after literally millions of people got it, not worried re mRNA vx either… mRNA actually not new, just not used as vx b4… so yeah, in so many ways, it’s not experimental in 2022

Me= very convinced I’m harder 2 kill than most, no way a little needle gonna scare me… doubt I’d get sick even if exposed w/o vx, but imagine I could carry evil lil virus , so rather do my best not 2…

…main thing COVID changed… now I check 2c if girl drops her mask … if it’s new girl, no reviews, I have a few tricks 2 get them 2 take it off… most effective, u tell them take it off or gbye… oh, I’m nice, saying I really need 2c that pretty face , I’ll come back later when u don’t need 2 wear one… & she drops it… but it’s kinda nuclear option… there is no value to ill fitting mask in small rm…

I’ve mentioned I’ve had Covid many times. Like I said, you’re not thorough.

I guess we’ll agree to disagree on some things like the bravery of nurses. I still believe a nurse that’s willing to get Covid over taking an experimental drug is the brave one.

You’re contradicting yourself again. You say it’s not experimental, then admit it’s never been used as a vaccine.

I’m glad you did your research. I think everyone should and make their own decision, instead of going the pro vaccine/anti vaccine route. But, you keep coming back to a needle not scaring you. If you did your research and are confident with it, nothing should scare you. I’m happy with my choice, hope you are too.

But I guess we’re discussing a moot point now, as we’re back in lockdown. The vaccines worked so well that we’re losing our freedoms again.

But hey, let’s do our part and get boosted.


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[Justine2016]

Though I disagree with the efficacy of the plan, I think you have accurately reflected the government's argument. I also doubt the numbers, but for the sake of our argument, let's assume your estimates are correct, and we could hold infections to 500k per month (it will actually be quite a bit lower). By that logic, we will be locked down for a minimum of two years. The lower the number of monthly infections, the longer we stay locked down. Is that acceptable to you? And by the way, 1% of 500k is still 5000 which would overwhelm the ICU anyway.

The 1% is actually hospitalization not ICU otherwise we would have seen ICU numbers increasing by 100 for the last few days. I think Ontario is going to locked down till March at the earliest and I see more restrictions coming similar to last year, that is the reason I am leaving Ontario and going down south for the next two months as I can work remotely.

 

[jimmyd]

The 1% is actually hospitalization not ICU otherwise we would have seen ICU numbers increasing by 100 for the last few days. I think Ontario is going to locked down till March at the earliest and I see more restrictions coming similar to last year, that is the reason I am leaving Ontario and going down south for the next two months as I can work remotely.

Lucky bastard.


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[sy barite]

The 1% is actually hospitalization not ICU otherwise we would have seen ICU numbers increasing by 100 for the last few days. I think Ontario is going to locked down till March at the earliest and I see more restrictions coming similar to last year, that is the reason I am leaving Ontario and going down south for the next two months as I can work remotely.

Whether it's ICU or not is irrelevant. They're saying restrictions=no overwhelming of hospitals, however you want to define that. As I said though, very simple math indicates that if we do that, we'll be locked down til the next pandemic starts.
Your personal response is to go to Florida, where there are no restrictions, but for the rest of us you're explaining the restrictions are a good thing? You should run for office.

 

[Justine2016]

Whether it's ICU or not is irrelevant. They're saying restrictions=no overwhelming of hospitals, however you want to define that. As I said though, very simple math indicates that if we do that, we'll be locked down til the next pandemic starts.
Your personal response is to go to Florida, where there are no restrictions, but for the rest of us you're explaining the restrictions are a good thing? You should run for office.

I never said the restrictions were a good thing, I was only explaining the theory behind them. You will see OMICRON cases in Ontario until the spring when they should peak. Omicron is most contagious indoors and as shown in South Africa Omicron is subsiding in South Africa when people start spending more time outdoors the virus peaks, that’s why I am going to a warmer climate for the next two months. South Africa did not implement restrictions other then enforcement of mask wearing in public but they benefited from people being outdoors.

 

[xtc27]

I’ve mentioned I’ve had Covid many times. Like I said, you’re not thorough.

I guess we’ll agree to disagree on some things like the bravery of nurses. I still believe a nurse that’s willing to get Covid over taking an experimental drug is the brave one.

You’re contradicting yourself again. You say it’s not experimental, then admit it’s never been used as a vaccine.

I’m glad you did your research. I think everyone should and make their own decision, instead of going the pro vaccine/anti vaccine route. But, you keep coming back to a needle not scaring you. If you did your research and are confident with it, nothing should scare you. I’m happy with my choice, hope you are too.

But I guess we’re discussing a moot point now, as we’re back in lockdown. The vaccines worked so well that we’re losing our freedoms again.

But hey, let’s do our part and get boosted.


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No, talking only about our convo, it’s a big reveal u had COVID. Not thorough? Dude, I’m being nice 2u, but I’m not yer fan… pls assume if it’s yer personal 411 & u didn’t say it 2me, I dunno..

Unvax nurse can infect her patients & not experience illness. Being vax= actual job requirement. Manslaughter.

Your 12 yr old kid, leukaemia patient, wife, cancer patient, gramma, get COVID & die, ☠ … thx 2 this ‘brave’ nurse… she should be arrested & charged.

Contradicting myself? Hardly. Just bcuz a vax WAS experimental doesn’t mean that it IS… once it’s past phase 3, it’s new… once a million ppl tried it, results in… nuthin 2 fear @ all now. Seriously, not mocking u… u get the difference, right? Tested & proven on Israelis & Brits. Gd enuf 4me!

This ain’t a lockdown… u remember March 2020, right? Heavy Restrictions= inevitable. Spas still open … 50% capacity? No probs. Typical.

They gotta reduce contact rate or we=
really fucked.

… it’s reasonable 2 point out vax= not stopping spread of omicron … but it’s keeping hospitals & ICUs f/ overflowing, it’s main purpose. Vax that stops infection’s b nice… we ain’t got that, eh?

 

[sy barite]

They gotta reduce contact rate or we=
really fucked.

Until when?

 

[Deleted member 79939]

So, u had COVID? …

… don’t remember this being said b4… u might think it’s like closing barn door after horse escaped… … u cant prevent something that already happened…

… I nvr got COVID tho, so my immune system > yours!

I find nuthin courageous about a nurse who refuses a vax … quite the opposite, she’s selfishly indulging a wish 2c others try it 1st, thus becoming a disease vector 4 immune compromised patients… she could wipe out a whole ward… some hero! Lock her up…

I really hate antivaxxer losers & conspiracy mongers who hijack threads 4 their own agenda… that doesn’t mean all anti-vax= losers… it means some losers = antivx

Actually, did a ton of research… highly suspicious of mRNA vax @ 1st, since it’s triggering something like an autoimmune response, but AZ& JJ use different technology, so there’s choice out there… anyway, after literally millions of people got it, not worried re mRNA vx either… mRNA actually not new, just not used as vx b4… so yeah, in so many ways, it’s not experimental in 2022

Me= very convinced I’m harder 2 kill than most, no way a little needle gonna scare me… doubt I’d get sick even if exposed w/o vx, but imagine I could carry evil lil virus , so rather do my best not 2…

…main thing COVID changed… now I check 2c if girl drops her mask … if it’s new girl, no reviews, I have a few tricks 2 get them 2 take it off… most effective, u tell them take it off or gbye… oh, I’m nice, saying I really need 2c that pretty face , I’ll come back later when u don’t need 2 wear one… & she drops it… but it’s kinda nuclear option… there is no value to ill fitting mask in small rm…

U are a good person