Poll Do you think the Trump insurrectionists have blown their wad?

[Hornet]

If you had a dime for every time you say deflection and coward you could see MPAs for free. lol


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Every time you actually do deflect and act like a coward I could see MPAs for free for and entire year.

 

[Hornet]

You’re a moron if you would’ve voted for Kasich. What did you like about him, that his dad was a mail man?

You’re also a moron for putting personal feelings ahead of good policy. How can you hate someone so much, that you’ve never met. You’re a very simple person.

I didn’t care for Trump before he got into politics. And even after, I wasn’t a huge fan. But I’d love it if more leaders can do what he did for the US.

And dumbass, I never said you can’t complain about laws. That’s how laws are reformed. You’re complaining about laws that prohibited your desired outcome. There’s a difference. You may not be a lefty, but that’s what leftist do.


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Your argument of hating a public figure you’ve never met is nonsense. You’ve got guys here (I’m sure you are included in that group) that posts hateful stuff towards Trudeau or Hilary Clinton or Doug Ford and they’ve never met them

I’ve followed and am aware of Trump’s character for decades. He’s a partial list

The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet

One of the women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct has sued him for defamation after he labeled her claims false.

www.theatlantic.com

The office of the President of The United States is the highest office in the nation. It require intelligence, a psychologically strong stable individual that can take a lot of heat, someone that will bring a country together (a unifier), a strong commander in chief, a negotiator (negotiation means compromise) and someone who can navigate the political system and most importantly puts his people first (all people and not selecting the ones he likes).

Donald Trump fails in every respect. He’s only about himself and how to get rich. He never unified the country, he divided, the way he treats women (over 20 sexual allegations) is disgusting, he faked bone spurs to get out of serving in the military during Vietnam, he insulted an actual war hero in John McCain who actually fought in Vietnam was captured and suffered enduring injuries ever since, he’s a fraudster with his failed university and scheme to Jack up rents for low income housing units, he has no negotiation skills as everything has to be his way which doesn’t work for allies and friendly nation (the ones that US defence and safety relies on for intelligence in order to strike an enemy, for access to forward operating bases and airfields and resupply ports and allies to buy US military equipment to get the unit costs down so the US can buy their own stuff cheaper), etc.....

The majority of this stuff was known and out there before he even ran for office. It’s a character decision and he is the lowest kind of character around.

Now, you said he’s done a lot for the US. Provide us a list and come prepared to defend it. Otherwise that is a meaningless statement.

I’m not complaining about the outcome of the impeachment’s but the process. The DOJ policy not to indict or prosecute a sitting President is policy. The Mueller Report produced evidence but they couldn’t do anything due to that Policy so it became a political impeachment process. The House impeached (their constitutional right), the Senate has the power to try the President but then voted not to call any witnesses which is not a trial at all so they were negligent in their responsibilities. 2nd impeachment trial time: first vote tabled was can a former President be tried for impeachment (the impeachment that happened while he was in office). The vote came in “Yes” (some Republicans also voted yes). The Trial goes on, after all Senators who swore an oath to be impartial and attentive, you had some Republicans doodling during the trial and others going to the aid of the defence lawyers on how to craft their argument. Then when it came time to vote, many Republicans voted not guilty based on their feeling that the trial itself was Unconstitutional (which was just fucking voted was Constitutional just a few days earlier). Then when the trial was over you had Mitch McConnell who voted not guilty for that reason actually make a speech that Trump was practically and morally responsible and could be held responsible in a court of law. Fucking cowards these Republicans are that they can’t adhere to their oath of office and then pass the hot potato. So, if getting rid of that policy to allow the DOJ to act because the political process is broken then that needs to happen.

As for Kasich, I liked that he was a Governor in a swing state so he could work across lines. And look at his competition: Trump is a low character grifter that I’ve known about his character for decades, Rubio and Cruz were self serving weasels, Ben Carson and Rand Paul , Jeb Bush might have been ok and is a decent man but after his brother’s Presidency the name was too tainted.

 

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[snoopdoggie]

You argument of hating a public figure you’ve never met is nonsense. You’ve got guys here (I’m sure you are included in that group) that posts hateful stuff towards Trudeau or Hilary Clinton ant. they’ve never met them

I’ve followed and am aware of Trump’s character for decades. He’s a partial list

The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet

One of the women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct has sued him for defamation after he labeled her claims false.

www.theatlantic.com

The office of the President of The United States is the highest office in the nation. It require intelligence, a psychologically strong stable individual that can take a lot of heat, someone that will bring a country together (a unifier), a strong commander in chief, a negotiator (negotiation means compromise) and someone who can navigate the political system and most importantly puts his people first (all people and not selecting the ones he likes).

Donald Trump fails in every respect. He’s only about himself and how to get rich. He never unified the country, he divided, the way he treats women (over 20 sexual allegations) is disgusting, he faked bone spurs to get out of serving in the military during Vietnam, he insulted an actual war hero in John McCain who actually fought in Vietnam was captured and suffered enduring injuries ever since, he’s a fraudster with his failed university and scheme to Jack up rents for low income housing units, he has no negotiation skills as everything has to be his way which doesn’t work for allies and friendly nation (the ones that US defence and safety relies on for intelligence in order to strike an enemy, for access to forward operating bases and airfields and resupply ports and allies to buy US military equipment to get the unit costs down so the US can buy their own stuff cheaper), etc.....

The majority of this stuff was known and out there before he even ran for office. It’s a character decision and he is the lowest kind of character around.

Now, you said he’s done a lot for the US. Provide us a list and come prepared to defend it. Otherwise that is a meaningless statement.

I’m not complaining about the outcome of the impeachment’s but the process. The DOJ policy not to indict or prosecute a sitting President is policy. The Mueller Report produced evidence but they couldn’t do anything due to that Policy so it became a political impeachment process. The House impeached (their constitutional right), the Senate has the power to try the President but then voted not to call any witnesses which is not a trial at all so they were negligent in their responsibilities. 2nd impeachment trial time: first vote tabled was can a former President be tried for impeachment (the impeachment that happened while he was in office). The vote came in “Yes” (some Republicans also voted yes). The Trial goes on, after all Senators who swore an oath to be impartial and attentive, you had some Republicans doodling during the trial and others going to the aid of the defence lawyers on how to craft their argument. Then when it came time to vote, many Republicans voted not guilty based on their feeling that the trial itself was Unconstitutional (which was just fucking voted was Constitutional just a few days earlier). Then when the trial was over you had Mitch McConnell who voted not guilty for that reason actually make a speech that Trump was practically and morally responsible and could be held responsible in a court of law. Fucking cowards these Republicans are that they can’t adhere to their oath of office and then pass the hot potato. So, if getting rid of that policy to allow the DOJ to act because the political process is broken then that needs to happen.

As for Kasich, I liked that he was a Governor in a swing state so he could work across lines. And look at his competition: Trump is a low character grifter that I’ve known about his character for decades, Rubio and Cruz were self serving weasels, Ben Carson and Rand Paul , Jeb Bush might have been ok and is a decent man but after his brother’s Presidency the name was too tainted.

I watched that Mitch McConnel speech live. I believe he's a Coward himself. He didn't want to vote against Trump because of fear of retaliation.

As for Jeb Bush, he was governor of Florida during the 2000 election. He helped stop the recount that allowed his brother to steal the presidency. The Miami Herald did their own recount which revealed that Al Gore would have won the election by more than 10,000 votes.

 

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[Sybarite]

I watched that Mitch McConnel speech live. I believe he's a Coward himself. He didn't want to vote against Trump because of fear of retaliation.

You don't make the speech Mitch made if you fear retaliation.

Mitch is trying to drag his party into the land of reality, but they are now being consumed by the monster they created themselves.

Nevertheless, at least Mitch is trying, however belatedly. He has a tough position to navigate because he is leading a caucus that is still clearly all in for Trump for the most part.

He didn't do a complete 180 like McCarthy and Graham, after January 6th he didn't slink to Florida to kiss his ring, he did not continue to pathetically suck up to Trump like Cruz, Rubio, Hawley et al... he's signalled he's fine to never speak to Trump again.

These are not the actions of a man who fears retaliation, Snoop.

 

[Hornet]

Just for context, Mitch McDonnell is 79 years old and just won another 6 year term. He’ll either die on the job or retire at 85. I’m sure that factored into his decision making.

 

[qinging]

Just for context, Mitch McDonnell is 79 years old and just won another 6 year term. He’ll either die on the job or retire at 85. I’m sure that factored into his decision making.

You beat me to this by 6 mins

 

[Sybarite]

Just for context, Mitch McDonnell is 79 years old and just won another 6 year term. He’ll either die on the job or retire at 85. I’m sure that factored into his decision making.

However you wish to frame it, he's spoken out against Trump in stronger, clearer terms than 98% of his party. Again, not the actions of a man who fears retaliation.

You have to start somewhere... at least Mitch trying to do something, regardless of the consequences.

 

[qinging]

However you wish to frame it, he's spoken out against Trump in stronger, clearer terms than 98% of his party. Again, not the actions of a man who fears retaliation.

You have to start somewhere... at least Mitch trying to do something, regardless of the consequences.

He is trying to cover his legacy...let's see what the next 4 years bring under Biden/Harris

 

[Sybarite]

He is trying to cover his legacy...let's see what the next 4 years bring under Biden

There's a civil war happening within the GOP and Mitch has chosen a side. I agree there are no depths too low that these guys might sink to in the future, but as to the question of whether Mitch is fearing retaliation, you don't make the speech he made if you fear retaliation.

If you guys are purely contra Trump then you are barking up the wrong tree by going after one of the very few members of the GOP who is actually making a serious effort to rid the party of Trump's malign influence. You are kidding yourselves if you think Mitch has nothing to lose simply because he has been re-elected. It's not that simple.

 

[snoopdoggie]

Just for context, Mitch McDonnell is 79 years old and just won another 6 year term. He’ll either die on the job or retire at 85. I’m sure that factored into his decision making.

I don't see the corrolation there. What does his age have to do with how he voted? As far as I'm concerned, Drunk Trump is as good as gone. If he thinks he's going to make a comeback, he's only dreaming. Even if he's still alive by 2024, nobody's going to vote for a 79 year old Drunk guy.

 

[snoopdoggie]

However you wish to frame it, he's spoken out against Trump in stronger, clearer terms than 98% of his party. Again, not the actions of a man who fears retaliation.

You have to start somewhere... at least Mitch trying to do something, regardless of the consequences.

Ha. That doesn't make sense. His words were poppycock. Actions speaks louder than words. Everyone knows that.

Mitch McConnel just tried to pull a Pontius Pilote scam job. He wants to wash his hands of the situation and not take any responsibility for anything. Just stay in the middle and try not upset any particular side. That's the true definition of a Coward.

 

[qinging]

There's a civil war happening within the GOP and Mitch has chosen a side. I agree there are no depths too low that these guys might sink to in the future, but as to the question of whether Mitch is fearing retaliation, you don't make the speech he made if you fear retaliation.

If you guys are purely contra Trump then you are barking up the wrong tree by going after one of the very few members of the GOP who is actually making a serious effort to rid the party of Trump's malign influence. You are kidding yourselves if you think Mitch has nothing to lose simply because he has been re-elected. It's not that simple.

If you're looking for a GOP hero...Mit Romney....Mitch has sided with the Trump 4 year war against the US constitution and at the end said -yeah but what about the Constitution-not guilty of incitement, but he is

 

[stripfan]

let's see what the next 4 years bring under Biden/Harris

Leftist icon Naomi Wolf issues a warning about the new administration.

Ex-Clinton adviser Naomi Wolf warns US becoming 'totalitarian state before our eyes' under Biden

America is becoming a "totalitarian state before our eyes" under President Biden's leadership, feminist author and former Democratic adviser Naomi Wolf told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Monday.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Sybarite]

I don't see the corrolation there. What does his age have to do with how he voted? As far as I'm concerned, Drunk Trump is as good as gone. If he thinks he's going to make a comeback, he's only dreaming. Even if he's still alive by 2024, nobody's going to vote for a 79 year old Drunk guy.

Like always Snoop you are hopelessly misinformed. It's still Trump's party. That's the problem.

By 2-1, 59%-29%, Trump voters say they want him to run for president again in 2024. If he ran, three of four, 76%, would support him for the nomination; 85% would vote for him in a general election.

Exclusive: Defeated and impeached, Trump still commands the loyalty of the GOP's voters

In a new Suffolk/USA TODAY Poll, Trump voters said 46%-27% that they would abandon the GOP and join a third party\u00a0if Trump decided to create one.

www.usatoday.com

Anything can happen, but odds are very good he'll still be alive, and still wielding his power to his own self serving ends.

Again, Trump doesn't drink. Your insults are not only childish but completely ridiculous.

 

[snoopdoggie]

There's a civil war happening within the GOP and Mitch has chosen a side. I agree there are no depths too low that these guys might sink to in the future, but as to the question of whether Mitch is fearing retaliation, you don't make the speech he made if you fear retaliation.

If you guys are purely contra Trump then you are barking up the wrong tree by going after one of the very few members of the GOP who is actually making a serious effort to rid the party of Trump's malign influence. You are kidding yourselves if you think Mitch has nothing to lose simply because he has been re-elected. It's not that simple.

If he didn't fear retaliation, then why didn't he vote to convict? And don't tell me about the constitution. That's just hogwash. He saw what happened on Jan 6. If you don't think McConnel fears for his life, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Sybarite]

Ha. That doesn't make sense. His words were poppycock. Actions speaks louder than words. Everyone knows that.

Mitch McConnel just tried to pull a Pontius Pilote scam job. He wants to wash his hands of the situation and not take any responsibility for anything. Just stay in the middle and try not upset any particular side. That's the true definition of a Coward.

Denouncing your own party's president on the senate floor is an action. A serious action that precipitated the inevitable retaliation from Trump that McConnell knew it would.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000177-ad2a-d713-a777-edee3b100000

 

[qinging]

Leftist icon Naomi Wolf issues a warning about the new administration.

Ex-Clinton adviser Naomi Wolf warns US becoming 'totalitarian state before our eyes' under Biden

America is becoming a "totalitarian state before our eyes" under President Biden's leadership, feminist author and former Democratic adviser Naomi Wolf told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Monday.

www.foxnews.com

Utter nonsense of course.....Trump stuck the USA with 400,000 covid deaths which could have been much less and now at 500,000....Biden wants kids in school and 100 days to see where the vaccine and masks etc gets them. They wouldn't be in such a bad predicament if they had a real President when covid broke out. Every country in the world is doing lockdowns.

 

[Sybarite]

If he didn't fear retaliation, then why didn't he vote to convict? He saw what happened on Jan 6. If you don't think McConnel fears for his life, I think you better wake up and smell the coffee.

If McConnell fears for his life, then why would he make the speech that he did? Again there is almost no one in the GOP who has spoken out against Trump as clearly as Mitch has.